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post #11 of 19 Old 07-25-2010, 08:29 PM
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post #12 of 19 Old 07-25-2010, 08:31 PM
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Ha ha, it's all a matter of opinion

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>>>>>> Im not saying all aren't well started, but you're always taking a chance. By breeding your own, you know exactly what you're getting. You know the personality of both parents (other than what you're told) and what the horse may grow to look like because not all people buy directly from a breeder. It's simply my preference.

Having "been there done that" (bred and raised foals from different stallions and mares, and worked with foals bred by myself and others) I can can tell you unequivocally that you do NOT always know what you are going to get-- especially, as NRHAreiner mentioned, if you are breeding horses from unknown or unproven ancestry.

Foals do NOT always turn out like either parent-- especially if the bloodlines behind them are a mixed bag. Even horses from high qality, proven parents occasionally are not what was expected. (and if they are registered and well handled, they still usually are worth more than their grade counterparts).

Buying, on the other hand, allows you to evaluate and pick exactly the color, size, personality, and movement that you want.... no (or fewer, LOL) surprises.

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No I am not always taking a chance. I know bloodlines so I know what to expect and I have yet to get one that was not what the pedigree said it should be.

Even when you breed your own and I do quite a bit as I can not buy for the price I can breed for. You still do not always know the personality of what the foal will have. I have found that temperament/personality does not translate down. If it did my Zan Freckles Hickory mare would be rank and mean. She is not. Same with others I have seen by him. She is more what you would expect from her breeding not her sire.

Temperament is not a good reason to breed over buy. You can see the temperament of the foal when you go and interact with it. Breeding should be done with a very specific end goal in mind. Even if you are cross breeding. Again I do it b/c I can not buy one of the same quality as I can breed for. If you can buy for the same or less then the cost of breeding then you really need to rethink why you want to breed that horse. Too many $200 foals on Craigslist.

Does all this mean you can not breed your mare? No everyone can do as they please. However each time you do you really need to ask your self what will happen if I can no longer take care of the foal/horse? Very few people keep a horse it entire life. You never know. Breed a marketable foal and that foals chances are better then a foal out of someones favorite mare. Just b/c she is your favorite mare does not mean she would be someone elses favorite mare.

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Well, speaking "hypothetically" I would still prefer to breed my own mare. I had 2 foals out of her as well as helped my aunt on her breeding farm with her young paints & I couldnt have had a stronger "bond" with any of hers than I did with my own, even though I worked with them just as regularly & was even given one to train. It just wasn't the same, but maybe that's me.

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No I am not always taking a chance. I know bloodlines so I know what to expect and I have yet to get one that was not what the pedigree said it should be.

Even when you breed your own and I do quite a bit as I can not buy for the price I can breed for. You still do not always know the personality of what the foal will have. I have found that temperament/personality does not translate down. If it did my Zan Freckles Hickory mare would be rank and mean. She is not. Same with others I have seen by him. She is more what you would expect from her breeding not her sire.

Temperament is not a good reason to breed over buy. You can see the temperament of the foal when you go and interact with it. Breeding should be done with a very specific end goal in mind. Even if you are cross breeding. Again I do it b/c I can not buy one of the same quality as I can breed for. If you can buy for the same or less then the cost of breeding then you really need to rethink why you want to breed that horse. Too many $200 foals on Craigslist.

Does all this mean you can not breed your mare? No everyone can do as they please. However each time you do you really need to ask your self what will happen if I can no longer take care of the foal/horse? Very few people keep a horse it entire life. You never know. Breed a marketable foal and that foals chances are better then a foal out of someones favorite mare. Just b/c she is your favorite mare does not mean she would be someone elses favorite mare.
Well I totally agree with that. I bred my mare twice (once to my aunt's QH stallion & once to her palomino Paint (the one in my pic)). The paint's filly turned out wonderful. Just like her sweet dam & her sire, but the QH filly was ALL her sire.
He was great looking & had awesome lines (which is why people liked to breed to him over the other studs), but the worst attitude, which so far he's passed on to all his foals. Unfortunately he passed away this winter after severaly injuring himself, but I can't say any of us really miss him (except for the money he made) lol. He was a terror!

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I agree that there is a bond with a foal you foal out. However do not confuse that bond with anything but what it is, a bond. Has nothing to do with how that foal will turn out in the end. Ones I have bought I have had as good a bond with as the ones I have breed. They have all turned out well with good training.

2 of my mares I have now that I show and breed. One I bought and one I breed. Neither has a better bond then the other. Both are excellent performers.

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Oh I know. Im just saying that personally, if I want "baby experience" i'd rather have my own bred. If I were looking for something different, then perhaps i'd buy unless I could breed for it myself.

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If I had a mare with good conformation (registered or not) that I had a special bond with and wanted to have a part of her after she was gone, yes I would breed her. I would pick a stallion with a good temperment and good confo that I had seen under saddle and knew what he could do and the attitude that he had. Of course, good conformation is an absolute must for me. Papers, not so much. Since I would not be breeding with the intention to sell, nor would I be breeding just because "the baby would be kyoot", the foal would have better prospects. I know that it would get good training and if anything happened to me, either my brother or Dad would take the horse and either keep it themselves or make sure that it ended up in a good home. IMHO, wanting to get some baby experience is not a legitimate reason to breed a mare, ever. A person wanting some baby experience need only look around a little bit, there are tons of people who have babies but don't have any interest or business trying to handle them, there are always people needing foals trained for this, that, or the other.

Since I am really not in the business of breeding and raising horses, I personally would much rather buy one that was 2 or 3 years old (I enjoy riding more than playing with them on the ground). However, if I had a really special mare, then I wouldn't hesitate to breed her, but I would be smart about it.

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