Friendly question about breeding horses of similar "generations"...

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    10-08-2012, 03:45 PM
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Friendly question about breeding horses of similar "generations"...

My curiosity has been aroused: recently there have been a few threads were pedigrees of this horse or that have been posted. While perusing said pedigrees, I've sometimes noticed that, say, father, grandfather, and great grandfather are all only maybe 8 years apart in age.
For example: the prospective sire was born in 2010, his sire was born in 2004, and the grand-sire was born in 1998.

This isn't a commentary about breeding those stallions "so" young or anything but in this case, the grand-sire isn't even 15 yet. How can a breeder be sure that the bloodlines are really good when you haven't seen even half the lifetime of one of those horse?

I mean, performance-wise they might be great but if I were a breeder, longevity and "holding-up" would be important attributes I would want to have in my program - things you wouldn't be seeing at age 13 or younger...

Of course, that probably isn't a very sound business model=why breeders do that^ but still, I wonder...

Does anyone know?
Is conformation enough to prove that a horse WILL be sound at age 25? I personally don't really think so... Obviously, lots of factors go into soundness but I would want to breed something that's sound at 15 and still trucking in hard work vs something that's sound at...4, you know?

Probably a dumb question but humor me. :)
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    10-08-2012, 04:02 PM
As far as AQHA and APHA stallions go, their career is basically over by the time they are 4/5. They campaign at 2 and 3 years old, and then they are put out to stud to see what kind of progeny is produced.

The quality of their progeny is almost equally important as the quality of the stallion. So if many horses are bred early, it might be because they are testing out to see what kind of horses are produced. If they produce a bunch of nice horses when the stallion is say, 4, they double the stud fee and campaign the horse throughout the rest of his life.

EDIT: You also have to account for breeding "trends" in the show pen. What's hot now may not be hot 20 years from now. Also breeding earlier allows you to actually afford having your horses. It's a business, after all.
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    10-08-2012, 04:12 PM
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That makes sense. I was thinking it probably had to do with something along those lines.

What happens to those "older" studs that are 20 or something and not "hot" anymore? Just cut them and find them non-stud jobs?
What about broodmares? What happens when they aren't "cool" anymore? Or in AQHA/APHA opinion, does the stud count for more of the whole package? I've seen more older AQHA/APHA broodies than older studs...

So many questions!
    10-08-2012, 04:14 PM
Well, it depends. If your stud reaches the top of the APHA producer's charts, they could have a very, very long career. Like my sire, I Got Charisma, was producing until he was way older, and Zippo's Sensation, up into their teens simply because they continuously produce huge winners even to this day.

Once their progeny stop winning or are not performing at the same level as other stallions, they will generally lower the stud fee or retire the stallion.
    10-08-2012, 04:18 PM
It just depends, but some of the older bloodlines are still around and some are coming back so it's not a complete loss to those coming back.
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    10-08-2012, 04:19 PM
In regards to "What about broodmares? What happens when they aren't "cool" anymore? Or in AQHA/APHA opinion, does the stud count for more of the whole package? I've seen more older AQHA/APHA broodies than older studs..."

A proven broodmare is a proven broodmare, they usually always retain their value if they produce point earners and champions. The stud is usually the "form" and the mare is usually the "function". A complimentary broodmare who throws good traits and copies the stallion's good genetics is priceless, no matter how old she is.
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    10-09-2012, 08:33 AM
Not all studs are done at 4/5... I happen to be friends with a stud owner who owns/stands/competes on a stud that is 19 years old...
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    10-09-2012, 10:53 PM
Very true NdAppy, there are still some stallions showing past 4-5. In fact, I have my stallion going into training training for All Around in January. I think it helps them mentally as well giving them a job. :)
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    10-11-2012, 01:21 PM
My colt's sire was born in 1993 (his sire and dam both born in 1979 ) and his dam was born in 1990 (her sire born in 1967 and her dam born in 1984).
Took awhile to find these old foundation lines in a two year old colt.

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