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    04-01-2008, 03:49 AM
  #11
Weanling
Quote:
Originally Posted by JMJ~Arabians
Yeah, I feel the 3rd horse is VERY nice! Well put together and looks PURE to me! I actually favor the Friesian/Perch X myself, they make nice horses.

The 4th horse is Arab/Friesian and I DO really like this one. Good price and if I am not mistaken not too far away from the original poster either. ;) Maybe worth a looksie??

Jenn
I trained a friesion/perch last year and that's what made me interested in them but I have always had and shown arabians so that's why I was thinking about the cross there arn't to many arab/friesions out there and I really want one that is bred from a black bask/ khemosabi mare
     
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    04-01-2008, 11:45 AM
  #12
Started
You might check out warlanders as well, if you are interested in Friesian crosses. The andalusian/lusitano blood seems to yield good results...not surprising, considering the breed history I guess.
     
    04-03-2008, 05:33 AM
  #13
Foal
Dear arastang,
What do you want to achieve by thos crossing? What conception do you have?
It's the first question all breeders have to ask from herself when crossing two purebreds from different breds.
These two horses stand very-very far from each other. Why do you want to cross an athletic, thin, respiratoric, impulsive horse with a calm, cold-blooded fashion draft horse? To have an average riding horse with a good shape? Then buy a beautiful hannoverian, holsteiner or a Dutch warmblood or something else. As much as I know, friesans are good only for hobby. They cannot jump, they don't have any prominent sport performance, they can be trained for show riding... as much as any other breed. And I can tell you that none of them are as good in cart driving as a Nonius or a Lipizzian or a trotter cross.
The same is true about arabians: they are good only for hobby or endurance riding.
By the other hand, if I wanted a horse looking like an arabian, I would buy an arabian. If I wanted a horse looking like a friesan, I would like to buy a friesan.

It's a good idea to cross them if you want a beautyful, black horse for yourself but I'm afraid no one will buy any of these crosses.

I agree with JustDressageIt, these cross appears to have no sense to me, but I'm opened for conviction.
     
    04-03-2008, 03:26 PM
  #14
Foal
Quote:
Originally Posted by daroczy
Dear arastang,
What do you want to achieve by thos crossing? What conception do you have?
It's the first question all breeders have to ask from herself when crossing two purebreds from different breds.
These two horses stand very-very far from each other. Why do you want to cross an athletic, thin, respiratoric, impulsive horse with a calm, cold-blooded fashion draft horse? To have an average riding horse with a good shape? Then buy a beautiful hannoverian, holsteiner or a Dutch warmblood or something else. As much as I know, friesans are good only for hobby. They cannot jump, they don't have any prominent sport performance, they can be trained for show riding... as much as any other breed. And I can tell you that none of them are as good in cart driving as a Nonius or a Lipizzian or a trotter cross.
The same is true about arabians: they are good only for hobby or endurance riding.
By the other hand, if I wanted a horse looking like an arabian, I would buy an arabian. If I wanted a horse looking like a friesan, I would like to buy a friesan.

It's a good idea to cross them if you want a beautyful, black horse for yourself but I'm afraid no one will buy any of these crosses.

I agree with JustDressageIt, these cross appears to have no sense to me, but I'm opened for conviction.
I just have to comment back on the Arabs being only good for hobby. I have owned Arabians all my live and have seen Arabians in the highest level of dressage as well as many other events. I don't mean to seem rude, but don't make false statements:)
     
    04-03-2008, 04:26 PM
  #15
Foal
Arabians are better than just hobby horses, I will have to disagree with diroczy on that one. Totally agree with that comment on the Friesians though. Arabians are fantastic at endurance, fantastic at arabian shows and SOME are fantastic at dressage. But whinruss, they don't compare to the warmbloods in dressage, I'm sorry but they just don't. Unless they are a freak of nature or are crossed with TB or warmblood, you don't generally see full blooded arabians in the upper levels of dressage and WINNING. I have yet to see one make it to international level and win. Same as the friesians. Loads of both breeds in the lower and medium levels but on the whole, neither breed is being bred and developed for upper level dressage.
I do like a nice arabian myself, my inlaws own several and they are very athletic competition horses (endurance) I would not hesitate to cross one with a quality warmblood either, but it has to be a good matchup for it to excel in upper level dressage.
I still think that crossing arabian and friesian is a mistake though. Not a good saleable foal from that cross. Go with a warmblood for resale/sport value.
     
    04-03-2008, 05:15 PM
  #16
Started
No offense, but you guys act like this is an unheard of cross...arabo-friesians are being bred successfully, mostly in Europe, but there is an American presence too. And they are winning at sport, especially driving, and more modestly in dressage.

Also, while I understand that breeding the highest-quality, purebred horses is desirable from a monetary and top-end sport viewpoint, the majority of the market doesn't need or want a grand-prix capable athlete. Your average person is perfectly happy with a quiet-minded, beautiful animal with moderate to good performance ability at a reasonable price.

I'm not condoning or criticizing cross-breeding here, I'm just saying that these two breeds are not incompatible and can produce nice horses, there are plenty of examples available to prove that point. Breeding always comes down to the skill (and luck) of the breeder. ANY ill-thought-out pairing can produce a less than desirable foal, whether its a purebred or a crossbred.
     
    04-04-2008, 02:36 AM
  #17
Foal
Arab/Friesian X

These are photo of an Arabian/Friesian cross who live down the road from me:

http://lizstabbertphoto.smugmug.com/...202_TXe2p-L-LB

http://lizstabbertphoto.smugmug.com/...836_vCZok-A-LB

http://lizstabbertphoto.smugmug.com/...528_TZS9P-A-LB

Yes, she is going grey. While she is VERY cute, she's just not my type of horse. The mix just doesn't work for me. Her owner LOVES her to bits though and that's all that matters.

As for Friesians not jumping and doing dressage that's just silly! I know a girl who does cross county with her mare. There are also some pretty well to do Friesians who are Gran Prix in dressage as well. Remember GOFFERT?? Yeah, wasn't he like Prix St. George or something like that? They can and DO move, and the good ones to it well. ;)

Jenn
     
    04-04-2008, 05:14 AM
  #18
Weanling
Im not looking for a foal to sale and I don't want to do international dressage I love arabians and love the way freisions move and would want to do level 1 mabey level 2 dressage at arab shows with one
     
    04-04-2008, 12:09 PM
  #19
Foal
I did not wanted to hurt anyone who has or likes arabians. I have an arabian cross too, and I'm content with her. They can be trained to anything... as much as any other horses. Yes, yes you can train them to dressage, if you want because they have good movement. But what you win on their movement, you loose on their respiratoric type.

You said "Don't make false statements." You must have not notice that I always wrote usually, or generally. There might be unique horses which overperform their breed character. For example I have a wonderful spotted pony which is 135 cm-s high and jumps 150 cm. But I don't think that Pessoa should sell all his sporthorses, buy some spotted ponies instead and win the Rolex Cup with them.

But in the high level international showriding world cup usually sporthorses win, and ususally there are no arabs amongst the participating horses. Don't say that "But yes there are, in 1986 there was a winner arab cross", I said USUALLY. And if you can remember, the Spanish high school, which is the greatest school of the "doma clįsica" uses only lipizzian ones.

And maybe it's my stupidness but I still cannot see the reason to cross a respiratoric, impulsive, lightweight eastern horse with a northen draft.
     
    04-04-2008, 01:21 PM
  #20
Started
Personally, I wouldn't do it. Most of those horses you showed were ugly as it is. And you can't guarantee your foal would be one of the pretty kinds or the ugly kinds. Also you said some of them were 30% arabian, well yours would be 50% arabian giving it more refinement and when you mix refined with stocky yet classy, I just don't think it would turn out pretty.
     

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