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        04-04-2008, 09:56 PM
      #21
    Weanling
    Ok I wont get one oh and harley rides horses saying that those horses in the pic are ugly is complete opinion one I don't agree with at all if I thought they were ugly I wouldn't want to breed one. Duh
         
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        04-05-2008, 05:26 AM
      #22
    Showing
    Please remember the Conscientous Etiquette Policy. Here is a copy in case there are some who haven't read it yet.

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        04-05-2008, 10:00 AM
      #23
    Foal
    being nice here

    Well said vidaloco If this type of cutting down people passionate about there own type horses the forum will die as people will not want to come to a site that just cuts them to piceses. I learned a long time ago if you can't say it nice then don't say it feeling are hurt very easy and take a long time to heal. We all have our own picture of our perfect horse and how we want them to perform . That is what makes us all so different one persons horse breed may not be what someone else likes at all but that is good, If you feel the need to be mean about a horse type breed or abilities that someone else has don't talk go look in a mirror see how you may feel if the shoe was on the other foot. Be nice no need to be mean and hateful to someone else just because you don't like a certain breed . We are all different nuff said
         
        04-07-2008, 06:25 AM
      #24
    Foal
    I did not wanted to hurt anyone, especially not the privacy policy. I think the horses on the pictures look well, but at least acceptable.

    My only doubt, as a breeder in practice is that:

    What would an arabian-friesan cross give to you which a sporthorse or another, existing and accepted sport crossbreed cannot?

    Do you want to breed a new crossed bred? What abilities do you acept from it? Horse breeding is in decline because we have began to cross any breeds with each other without any special aim.

    I can see it in Hungary that crossbreds start to loose their own special abilities because they are mixing up in a wide range cathegory named "sporthorses". And they are loosing their quality. Horses of closed breed, just as friesieans and arabians must remian in closed breeds for maintain some special abilities.

    This is a question which could be talked about int his topic, rather than hurting each other.
         
        04-07-2008, 11:17 AM
      #25
    Started
    The idea with the new infusion of arab blood has been to produce a more refined Friesian-type horse with better endurance while keeping the calm Friesian personality and work ethic.

    For example, this is the reason you rarely see Friesians in Marathon driving; they don't have the wind to compete with smaller, hardier breeds. However, you hear similar comments in dressage: that you have to watch a Friesian carefully because they will not "tell" you when they are over-tired, they will keep trying to work.

    Of course, the FPS is encouraging the breeding of lighter, sports-type Friesians already, but they are doing it in their own way: through the careful selection of bloodlines and breeding approval of lighter horses. The Dutch are so paranoid about crossbreeding anyway (with good reason) that I don't see them ever opening the studbook.

    If people want to crossbreed their non-FPS horses, I have no fear that it will "hurt" the main population of the breed. If they feel that they can improve the horse in 3 or 4 generations as opposed to 10 or 12, more power to them. Thoroughbreds wouldn't be what they are today without a good dose of such crossbreeding.
         
        04-07-2008, 02:41 PM
      #26
    Foal
    OK Sara, it's a kind of acceptable answers.

    If I wanted a lighter and smaller friesan type good for endurance driving, I would rather do the second way you wrote: within purebreds. I would have fears about that arabian bloodline can smash the friesan breed characteristic.

    I myself don't drive but one of my friend is a competitor. He has many money, he alwasy used to drive with lipizzians and Nonius horses which is some kind of tradition in Hungary. He drives four-horse cart (I don't know how to say it correctly in English). Once he imported a four-horse friesan setout from Dutchland and started at the Hungarian Driving Cup. They left him in shame. The horses could not carry him out from a bar with a swampy soil. He was angry and he sold them all. He always said that these horses did not pulled as well as he got used to with his former horses.

    I'm attaching a picture about a nonius horse which is lighter than friesan, has a good shape and excellent in any driving activity... We use them much in Hungary.

         
        04-07-2008, 03:04 PM
      #27
    Started
    I tend to agree with you, Daroczy. I think the Dutch will eventually get the breed to a more desirable state for modern competition. I have great respect for their knowledge when it comes to breeding animals, not just Friesians.

    There is one more aspect which I didn't mention before (at least not in this thread). In the case of Friesians, the breed was revived from near extinction, due to crossbreeding. The current population was derived from a very small breeding pool...which causes its own problems, especially when it comes to fertility. No matter how careful you are about inbreeding, a drop in fertility is inevitable, and its noticeable in the breed now.

    Careful introduction of other blood into the gene pool certainly helps with this problem. I think this is one major reason the German registry (FPZV) does allow crossbreeding.

    Anyway, I am sorry to hijack your thread, arastangrider, I'll be quiet now, I know this doesn't have anything to do with your question:P
         
        04-09-2008, 03:18 AM
      #28
    Trained
    Why is it that every time a thread is posted about crossing breeds it ends up in a debate???

    I don't think the OP should be so quick to dismiss what JDI was saying as she did have a point. I also thought about breeding my tb mare to a friesian stallion a while back and decided against it as the general response was that they don't mix well. The tbs being more refined and the friesians heavier. Even though you are talking about an arab its very similar when you are talking about crossing light and heavy horses.

    On the other side of the coin, there are some lovely crosses out there but they arent the norm no matter what anyone who loves the x breeds will say. If you get a poorly put together foal then you will have a hard time selling it. You say you want this horse for yourself but you never know what is going to happen downt he track and the time may come when you may have to get rid of him. A poorly put together x breed will likely end up either in slaughter or being neglected somewhere as the next fugly horse of the day.

    Im not trying to put you down im just saying that you do need to look very very hard at horses you are thinking of crossing. One turned out great...fantastic!!! The next 20 may be duds you can just never tell.

    I think the main concern is that there are so many poorly thought about/bred horses out there and crossing two horses that have the potential to create a less than adequate foal can just exacerbate the problem. There are reasons why people say it wouldnt be a good idea and its not about squashing a persons personal preference. Its about the fact that some horses just don't cross well. It would be like putting a chihuahua with a rottweiler and expecting a beautiful dog in return. But, if you put that chihuahua with another dog that compliments him well you could end up with stunning cross bred pups. It just comes down to matching the parents carefully.

    Now I've had my rant, I wish you the best in whatever you decide to do :)
         
        04-09-2008, 07:12 PM
      #29
    Showing
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    Originally Posted by jazzyrider
    why is it that every time a thread is posted about crossing breeds it ends up in a debate???

    I don't think the OP should be so quick to dismiss what JDI was saying as she did have a point. I also thought about breeding my tb mare to a friesian stallion a while back and decided against it as the general response was that they don't mix well. The tbs being more refined and the friesians heavier. Even though you are talking about an arab its very similar when you are talking about crossing light and heavy horses.

    On the other side of the coin, there are some lovely crosses out there but they arent the norm no matter what anyone who loves the x breeds will say. If you get a poorly put together foal then you will have a hard time selling it. You say you want this horse for yourself but you never know what is going to happen downt he track and the time may come when you may have to get rid of him. A poorly put together x breed will likely end up either in slaughter or being neglected somewhere as the next fugly horse of the day.

    Im not trying to put you down im just saying that you do need to look very very hard at horses you are thinking of crossing. One turned out great...fantastic!!! The next 20 may be duds you can just never tell.

    I think the main concern is that there are so many poorly thought about/bred horses out there and crossing two horses that have the potential to create a less than adequate foal can just exacerbate the problem. There are reasons why people say it wouldnt be a good idea and its not about squashing a persons personal preference. Its about the fact that some horses just don't cross well. It would be like putting a chihuahua with a rottweiler and expecting a beautiful dog in return. But, if you put that chihuahua with another dog that compliments him well you could end up with stunning cross bred pups. It just comes down to matching the parents carefully.

    Now I've had my rant, I wish you the best in whatever you decide to do :)

    Thank you.

    I have NOTHING against crossbreeding, as long as it will result in a superior foal. I would be a hyppocrite if I said I hate crossbreds, as I've owned two, and the one I currently own is wonderful, she has one of the most trainable minds I've seen in a while.

    All I was getting at was that I don't think those two breeds compliment one another, and I completely agree with Jazzy's statement:
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    im not trying to put you down im just saying that you do need to look very very hard at horses you are thinking of crossing. One turned out great...fantastic!!! The next 20 may be duds you can just never tell.
         
        04-10-2008, 04:24 AM
      #30
    Trained
    Thats o-o-o-k ;)
         

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