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        05-14-2012, 11:30 AM
      #11
    Green Broke
    I wouldn't necessarily have to wait a long while. It all depends on when he drops(which, he already has) and even then he may not act studly. I'm aware he can, and will, but there's no telling when. Training and working with a stud colt is more dangerous, and more tedious, but it is something I'm aware of and prepared for. Not all stallions are raging maniacs. My colt's sire is an absolute doll and loves attention. He was kept next to another stallion with only round pen fencing separating them, and they could care less. I'm hoping Henny has that same laid-back disposition.
         
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        05-14-2012, 12:34 PM
      #12
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ripper    
    Then my question to you would be.....

    Are you willing to deal with a stud that long???

    Are you will to make his "learning" years more difficult???

    Years ago I did this with a colt.

    Many people told me to geld him.

    I just would not listen.

    I saw at all of his AQHA and futurity wins as reason for him to be a stud.

    Then his first foal won the fururity in Michigan.

    To do it over....he should have been gelded as a foal.
    This is all find and dandy. However why would you geld a horse who had good pedigree good conformation has good earnings and is sireing winners? I know people who do it but they have good reason for it. However if everyone gelded stallions who where doing well and producing then we would have not good horses to continue on with.

    Is this colt stallion material? Can not say. Have not seen him or his pedigree and at 3 weeks old it would be hard to really tell.

    As for collecting him. Just b/c he has dropped and could pasture breed a mare does not mean he would collect well and that his semen would be good at that age to freez. Stallions are not like cattle in that their semen is haderer to freez. Also the cost to store it long term might be more then it is worth in the end.
         
        05-14-2012, 12:39 PM
      #13
    Green Broke
    I agree with you 100%. I know he may not be stud material, and if he's not he'll be gelded then. If he is, then I may keep him a stud. When he gets to the age where stables are uncomfortable with a stallion and we don't have our own land to pasture him at that time, then I will need to geld him. Freezing his semen is basically the last option I'd like to go with, if he is stud material. It's all a matter of the situation and all outside factors.
         
        05-14-2012, 12:45 PM
      #14
    Trained
    The thing is that you are not considering is that at 2 he would be at the treainers and just about every trainer I know will take in stallions. So finding a boarding facility to take him in should not be the problem. The problem will come when he is done at the trainers and done showing and you still do not have your own place. Things is he could always stay at the trainers place even if he is not in full time training so again not a big problem.

    If you do not plane on sending him to a trainer who can train finish and show him in the Open then gelding him as that is really where he needs to proven himself.
         
        05-14-2012, 01:16 PM
      #15
    Banned
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
    This is all find and dandy. However why would you geld a horse who had good pedigree good conformation has good earnings and is sireing winners? I know people who do it but they have good reason for it. However if everyone gelded stallions who where doing well and producing then we would have not good horses to continue on with.

    Is this colt stallion material? Can not say. Have not seen him or his pedigree and at 3 weeks old it would be hard to really tell.

    As for collecting him. Just b/c he has dropped and could pasture breed a mare does not mean he would collect well and that his semen would be good at that age to freez. Stallions are not like cattle in that their semen is haderer to freez. Also the cost to store it long term might be more then it is worth in the end.
    He was horrible to deal with....

    All my fault.

    He was my first horse....bought as a weanling.

    Spoiled to death.

    Then the hormones kicked in at 15.3 a 1100 pound yearling.

    I did not enjoy a stud.

    The horse won all over in pleasure classes...English but, mostly western.

    Breeders would breed his dam for free. I bought her just after him.

    Everything the horse did that I enjoyed he could have done better and with less stress as a gelding.
         
        05-14-2012, 01:26 PM
      #16
    Weanling
    Kayella, I just want to tell you that you sound pretty prepared and seem to have a good head on your shoulders and you want what is best for your horse. Ignore the negative comments, learn as much as you can, and when the time comes you will know what to do.
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        05-14-2012, 01:50 PM
      #17
    Green Broke
    He will definitely be sent to a trainer, no doubt about that. I'm not sure of the acceptance of stallions in my area, but if a stable won't board him, then I know of two/three places that he'll be able to go. We currently rent 8 acres for our two pasture puffs that have 24/7 turnout. It's already divided into two paddocks to allow for the grass to grow and such. There will be no problem with us stallion-proofing the fence and building him a stall and tack shed, as we built the stalls and feed room in the front pasture ourselves. That would not be the ideal situation, but it's always there if we do not have our own place by then.

    Henny is only three weeks old, but there's always room for "What if..." I attached a few pictures of him at two weeks old, turned out to pasture after his dam went out of foaling heat. He is currently pending registration with APHA, and I will be able to dual register him with AQHA afterwards. He is genetically E_AaTtCrcr, I will need to get him tested for red/black based zygousity as well as any genetic problems.

    Thank you, Wyndella :)
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        05-14-2012, 02:17 PM
      #18
    Started
    He is a cutie, Kayella!
         
        05-14-2012, 02:53 PM
      #19
    Green Broke
    Thank you, Gigem! Of course, he'll need more than just cuteness to remain a stud.
         
        05-14-2012, 02:56 PM
      #20
    Trained
    He's tobiano. He will never be able to get AQHA papers.
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