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    06-16-2012, 11:36 AM
For fun - What do you think?

We bought Star 1 year and 3 days ago. Below is a link to her photos from June 2011 - today.

Star pictures by sddunklee - Photobucket

She's obviously gained a lot of weight over the last year. I didn't realize how much until I compared her pics. She also has edema in the milk vein area that is considerably larger today than yesterday. Yesterday and the past week it was swollen, but not like it is today. TMK, she's a maiden mare.

Before anyone gets upset, the vet is coming out next week to see what's up with her. It's possible she has a health issue going on; it's also possible (although I doubt) that she's pregnant.

Three possible pregnancy scenarios: She was exposed right before I bought her and is going over, although I don't think she's large enough to be full term. I know every horse is different. A new horse was brought next door about 6-7 months ago. I haven't checked with the owner (they have since moved) to see if the horse had been recently gelded where he was still fertile when he was brought over (I know he wouldn't have brought a stud over); or we have a rogue horse that got in and out of the pasture unnoticed.

So I thought it would be interesting to get your opinions while we wait on the vet's opinion next week. If palpating doesn't confirm a pregnancy, he will do bloodwork and we'll investigate until we determine what's going on.

Add'l info: Her feed has been reduced over the past few months (I know, we never thought there was a chance she was preggo) and she's still gaining quite a bit as you can see by the pics. She has access to pasture all day, but is fed twice a day with hay at each feeding. Her demeanor is the same as it's always been. She's very quiet. But today she spooked in place while grazing for no apparent reason. She didn't lift her head as if she saw something. Never fully raised it from grazing just jumped and jerked and went right back to eating.
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    06-16-2012, 05:11 PM
Has she been coming into heat since you have had her? I know they can show heat while pregnant as well. It could be hormones or actually pregnant. Only a vet will be able to tell because some mares can have false pregnancies.
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    06-16-2012, 06:25 PM
Yes she has appeared to come into heat since she's been here, but she's so quiet her cycles aren't really obvious. I can't recall her showing heat so far this year though.

If I knew she'd been exposed to a stud, I'd put more weight on the idea that she might be in foal. Scratching my head to figure out "how" leads me to believe something else is going on.
    06-16-2012, 08:09 PM
My best advice is to wait for the palpation. She could have a false pregnancy or her hormones are just messed up. I've got a mare that I've been trying to breed all year and has me stumped too with seemingly coming into heat twice only lasting a day since I last bred her. I hope you get a good simple answer :) I would feel confused too. I rescued a mare years back who was producing milk, had wax, and had an emdima thing going, thought she was in foal so we got her palpated after sedating her and she wasn't pregnant. Prior owners ran her with a stallion and she was with a few mares and foals. We ruled it out as the foals trying to nurse on her. Good luck!
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    06-17-2012, 11:36 AM
Well, I put her saddle on her last night...not to ride but to check measurements against the last time I rode her. Her rear cinch was a good 10" from even hitting the buckle on the other side. Saddle was no where near close to fitting her at all.

I checked her vulva this morning and it was tight as Fort Knox lol. But that makes her vulva in the pic yesterday look pretty relaxed by comparison. I don't know if a mare's vulva will change daily like that if she's not pregnant. I don't make a habit of looking at their vulvas every day. Any input on that?
    06-17-2012, 11:58 AM
She could just be fat.......that can play havoc on her hormones.

I know when my mare was fat she looked preggo.

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    06-17-2012, 09:58 PM
Very true, but I tend to think something is going on then with her either hormonally or metabolically.

It is funny though when the possiblity of pregnancy is introduced into the thought process, how I've begun to analyze her every move . And I've never had any desire to breed any of my mares. Well, maybe fleeting thoughts but I've raised and trained a couple and made up my mind a long time ago that I'd rather buy the finished product than start from scratch. But whatever it is, we'll deal with it, and if it is a foal, it'll have a forever home here so it's okay regardless.
    06-21-2012, 11:28 PM
Well, she's fat :) Vet is putting her on a diet for the summer (eliminating her grain) and we're to continue to evaluate her progress and adjust as necessary (with his input of course). If diet doesn't cause weight loss then he's going to keep her for some tests, mainly a glucose test for starters.

What's funny though is he delivered the news of no pregnancy after he palpated her. His wife is also an equine vet and she came in afterwards and said "Oh, is she pregnant?" We told her no and she laughed and said she looks pregnant by her shape and she thought we were coming in for a pre-natal exam.

Just goes to show you that you can't tell by looking! Even the well trained eye can be misled.

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