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    03-30-2010, 06:37 PM
Gelded without permission

Okay so I lease a horse at a local well known barn. His name is Topper and he is a very well bred and conformational Trekehner stud. He's produced two very amazing jumpers. I use him as my show jumper/dressage horse. Him and I have a very important jump-off in 4H we have to compete in on Saturday, but I just got informed when I went to exercise him, that they had gelded him without telling me or even planning a date with me. So now he can't compete. Even though she is the owner, shouldnt I get the say so with what happens with him? Because im paying my monthly lease on him. We actually had our QH mare lined up to breed with him. But now we can't... any opinions?
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    03-30-2010, 06:43 PM
Uhm, no. You don't own the horse, and essentially you have absolutely no say in what the OWNER decides.

It's one competition, you won't die or ever not be able to ride again. Plus, are stallions even allowed in 4H??? And also, it's just 4H. Not the end of the world.
    03-30-2010, 06:45 PM
Well that sounds crappy, but since you're not the owner I don't see you getting any say in the matter.
    03-30-2010, 06:47 PM
Yes they are allowed. And I know its one show. And its not the end of the world. But its in our lease contract, no medical decisions will be decided by me with out consulting her, and no medical decisions will be decided by her without consulting me. I even showed her this part of our contract and she said "gelding MY **** horse is not a medical decision" in my eyes having the vet come out and GELD the horse is a MEDICAL decision. That's why im making a big deal out of it.
    03-30-2010, 06:47 PM
Green Broke
A lease is just a lease. You don't have any ownership claim on the horse and ultimately no legal say so on what the owner decides to do with him. It might have been nice of her to let you know she had scheduled him for surgery so you could plan accordingly, but she certainly wasn't required to get your okay on it.
    03-30-2010, 06:48 PM
Agreed with Paints 150%. You aren't the owner, you don't have any say-so in decisions like that. Last time I checked, in my state stallions aren't allowed to compete in 4-H anyway, although perhaps that varies from state to state. Perhaps a little heads up would have been nice as far as the date of the procedure, but the owner is by no means obligated to check in with lessees for their permission to geld a stud.

Wow, jeez, lots of posts in a short amount of time... I've gotta learn to type quicker... ;)
    03-30-2010, 06:49 PM
And its not that I don't have say in it just because I lease him, its a lease to own situation and just for this horse, our contract states that he is a REGISTERD STALLION, so that is why I wanted to do a lease to own agreement. And the even more funny part about this is.... i've only got like 6-7 more months til I own him.
    03-30-2010, 06:51 PM
Nope, her horse, her schedule.

This might have been the only time gelding him worked well for her so she can oversee his recovery. She also probably wanted it done before the hottest months of summer (read: bugs!) set in.

And I agree, there are more shows out there for you after he's healed properly.
    03-30-2010, 06:53 PM
Green Broke
Originally Posted by WhiskeyGirl    
and its not that I don't have say in it just because I lease him, its a lease to own situation and just for this horse, our contract states that he is a REGISTERD STALLION, so that is why I wanted to do a lease to own agreement. And the even more funny part about this is.... i've only got like 6-7 more months til I own him.

Well, you didn't mention it was lease to own, did you?

That makes it a breech of contract, and gives you a road out. You can go find a new STALLION to lease-to-own and breed your QH to.
    03-30-2010, 06:54 PM
If anything he'll be an easier ride for you once he's gelded... were you going to stand him at stud when you were the owner??

I'm not saying this to be rude, but maybe she saw something in the 2 horses he has on the ground that made her say "hmm... maybe he shouldn't be reproducing."

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