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    01-18-2009, 07:44 AM
  #11
Foal
The owner of the stllion is on the right track-breeding Tb mares (or crosses) to him refine him, correct a few of his conformational flaws, and bring out a floating movement that is typical of foundation X TB crosses. I have done this cross several times and with the "right" TB conformation to the right foundation conformation have produced some spectacular HUS and hunters.

Your mare is very cute-and wow what a history on her. Glad you've got her issues at hand and are working on them. With her racing background she has the typical stockier "run" look to her which is why you are having such fun barrel racing her-she's built to do that. I just don't think this is the right cross for your mare as typically the TBs used on foundation horses are more refined distance type runners-greyhound body types come to mind.

Because you mare does not have the cutting/quick turning pedigree I would certainly look for stallions with those bloodlines or at least one with a pedigree with proven quality closer up so you have a general idea what you can do with the foal once it is ready to be trained.
Here's one off hand I found in Oregon-I really like him and some very nice foals.
Sun Tan Party Standing at Stud
     
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    01-18-2009, 10:28 AM
  #12
Foal
I like the mare, I think she could make a good producer if bred correctly.

But the stallion you chose does not compliment her, and I can't help but think that you chose him strictly because of his color and the fact that he's AQHA registered. Which is, in this down market, pretty irresponsible.

If you want to breed an all-around horse, breed her to an all-around horse. It very rarely works to breed two horses from opposite disciplines to create an all-around horse. What you usually get is a horse that can't do either sport, and is unmarketable. And the market always needs to be considered, even if you're keeping the foal, because you just never know what's around the corner.

I like Champs Guthrie's get from the TB mares, but your mare doesn't have the conformation attributes of those TB mares that are producing those foals.

If I were you, I'd forget about color (since, if you don't get color, you generally wind up with an unmarketable foal) and breed her to Missin Freckle or a stallion of more proven working western lines, since she is an appendix. And that's what you've said you wanted to do. Or, go with color, but breed to a stallion proven to produce what you want to produce from mares bred and built similarly to your mare.

If you think you're going to breed her to Champs Guthrie and get a barrel or all-around western horse, I'm sorry, but I think you're going to be highly disappointed.
     
    01-18-2009, 10:52 AM
  #13
Banned
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Originally Posted by ofcol    
I like the mare, I think she could make a good producer if bred correctly.
Agree

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Originally Posted by ofcol    
But the stallion you chose does not compliment her, and I can't help but think that you chose him strictly because of his color and the fact that he's AQHA registered. Which is, in this down market, pretty irresponsible.
Disagree. The resultant foal would be able to be registered.


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Originally Posted by ofcol    
If you want to breed an all-around horse, breed her to an all-around horse. It very rarely works to breed two horses from opposite disciplines to create an all-around horse. What you usually get is a horse that can't do either sport, and is unmarketable. And the market always needs to be considered, even if you're keeping the foal, because you just never know what's around the corner.
Disagree

Many warmbloods are bred from jumper on one side to dressage on the other producing usefull and international horses.

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Originally Posted by ofcol    
I like Champs Guthrie's get from the TB mares, but your mare doesn't have the conformation attributes of those TB mares that are producing those foals.
I like this cross more because the mare looks less like a stock horse than most I have seen.

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Originally Posted by ofcol    
If I were you, I'd forget about color (since, if you don't get color, you generally wind up with an unmarketable foal) and breed her to Missin Freckle or a stallion of more proven working western lines, since she is an appendix.
Are you this stallion's spokesperson? Sorry but all the colored horses I see at auction only prove that color does not produce a marketable foal any more than a non colored one. Since Missin Freckle is a bay are you saying that the resulting foal (likely a bay) will be unmarketable?

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Originally Posted by ofcol    
And that's what you've said you wanted to do. Or, go with color, but breed to a stallion proven to produce what you want to produce from mares bred and built similarly to your mare.
I believe she said the color was simply icing and not the main reason.


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Originally Posted by ofcol    
If you think you're going to breed her to Champs Guthrie and get a barrel or all-around western horse, I'm sorry, but I think you're going to be highly disappointed.
I believe she said she MAY like to do other things. And as far as barrels, well I have seen horses that have no pedigree for the sport excel in this discipline.
     
    01-18-2009, 11:26 AM
  #14
Foal
Where did I say the foal couldn't be registered? I was insinuating that the mere fact that he was AQHA registered wasn't enough to choose him as a stallion.

Yes, dressage horses and jumping horses are a lot closer together type and breed wise than English Sport Horses and Barrel horses. So I can see how you could breed from each discipline and get a good horse. And there are always exceptions to every rule -- I only stated that, most of the time, when you cross two horses from two totally different disciplines and builds, the result is subpar.

I am not a spokesperson for Missin Freckle -- I chose him as an example because he was a cow-bred speed horse who has done well in a myriad of disciplines. No, color certainly doesn't sell at auction, but it does sell more than NON-color. My point was to breed for type, conformation, pedigree, and performance FIRST -- and color shouldn't enter into the equation until after all of those strict criteria have been met.

Pedigree completely aside (althought it shouldn't be), I do not see the resulting foal having the conformational requirements of a horse that could be competitive at barrels in a venue other than the local/regional level.
     
    01-18-2009, 12:04 PM
  #15
Foal
Nevermind -- I just read where this person was proven to be lying about this horse's registration anyway. Moot point.
     
    01-18-2009, 06:24 PM
  #16
Foal
Cool

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Originally Posted by ofcol    
Pedigree completely aside (althought it shouldn't be), I do not see the resulting foal having the conformational requirements of a horse that could be competitive at barrels in a venue other than the local/regional level.
i don't plan on going any higher than local/regional level....i barrel race as a hobbie and nothing else......like I said originally, color is icing on the cake and I would be tickeled pink just as much if I got an english prospect horse or a perfomance horse. I don't plan on selling my mares first foal. I plan on keeping her first foal and her last foal....if I decide to breed her more than the foals I sell will be bred completely differently (much more cowey) and for todays market.....please understand that im gambing with this breeding but am willing to take on the results and will love the foal no matter the dicsipline it will excel at
The only issue I have with color would be red. I do not want a red foal. This is why I am getting her tested and will only breed her to him if there is no possible chance of getting a red foal. If there is a chance that I will find a stallion that meets my needs and is homo black (remember, color is icing on the cake)

Thank you spyder. I knew I could count on you to come to my defense.... you seem to always know where im coming from....i will keep everyone updated on her test results.

Thanks everyone for your opinions!!!!!!!!
     
    01-18-2009, 06:44 PM
  #17
Foal
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Originally Posted by alldun    
The owner of the stllion is on the right track-breeding Tb mares (or crosses) to him refine him, correct a few of his conformational flaws, and bring out a floating movement that is typical of foundation X TB crosses. I have done this cross several times and with the "right" TB conformation to the right foundation conformation have produced some spectacular HUS and hunters.

Your mare is very cute-and wow what a history on her. Glad you've got her issues at hand and are working on them. With her racing background she has the typical stockier "run" look to her which is why you are having such fun barrel racing her-she's built to do that. I just don't think this is the right cross for your mare as typically the TBs used on foundation horses are more refined distance type runners-greyhound body types come to mind.

Because you mare does not have the cutting/quick turning pedigree I would certainly look for stallions with those bloodlines or at least one with a pedigree with proven quality closer up so you have a general idea what you can do with the foal once it is ready to be trained.
Here's one off hand I found in Oregon-I really like him and some very nice foals.
Sun Tan Party Standing at Stud

Thank you so much.....my mare suprisingly has the cow sense to be a great cutting horse...i just don't have the references to get her started.....its amazing how quick she is on her feet.....when we had her in with my cows, it was so funny to see her every morning when we would let her out, she would run down to cows and seperate them all out on her own.....it was the funniest thing....she has always had interests in cows....not too sure where it comes from pedigree wise.

Thanks everyone!!!!!!!!!! I will let everyone know what I decide when I get her tests back!!!!!
I have a couple of other stallions in mind if this one doesnt work out
     
    01-27-2009, 03:40 PM
  #18
Green Broke
Breeding more AQHA horses in the current market isn't a good idea. If you're just "fantasy breeding" for down the road, fine, but I wouldn't actually breed this mare for another 2-3 years, or longer. The market is just in the tank and you'd only be adding to the overpopulation of the breed. I'd buy a foal instead if you want one to work with.

I also agree that Champ is quite stocky in build. It's doubtful you'd wind up with a speed or agility type horse from this cross. You're likely to wind up with something just like your mare, or even more stocky.
     
    01-27-2009, 04:56 PM
  #19
Foal
Thanks for everyones replies!!!!
Unfortunatly my mare suffered a head injury and is now blind in her right eye.....considering that this would have been her first foal, I have decided on not breeding her at all due to her injuries. My vet says she will still be able to compete but will need to start from scratch so she can get used to her new "eyesight"

Thanks again eveeryone!!!!!!!
     
    01-27-2009, 11:02 PM
  #20
Kim
Foal
Your poor mare!! I'm glad she is OK but how disappointing about the foal! I know I would be devasted if something stopped my mare from foaling this year, I know I've been so excited for so long!! Good luck with everytthing!! X
     

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