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    04-06-2012, 02:27 PM
  #1
Yearling
Good crosses?

I have been wondering for a while:

What breeds always seem to cross well with other breeds?

What are some crosses that generally turn out well?

And what are some breeds that don't cross well with others, and what are some of the generally worst crosses you have seen?

I can't breed or anything I'm just curious . Thanks!
     
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    04-06-2012, 06:33 PM
  #2
Started
I have always liked Fresian crosses, especially with paints and appies.. Especially if the Fresian is more dominant- so they have the hair, body, etc. of a Fresian but a different color.
     
    04-06-2012, 07:07 PM
  #3
Started
I like the paint/quarter horse mix with thoroughbreds. You get great size, movement, and jumping ability.
     
    04-06-2012, 07:47 PM
  #4
Trained
Morgans and Arabians (Morabs) will alway be my favourite cross-breed. Never seen a bad one yet.

Quarter Horses and Arabians I also find tend to cross well.
     
    04-06-2012, 10:07 PM
  #5
Yearling
It totally depends on what you're wanting to use the horse for,of course,but I like the Saddlebred/Arab and Saddlebred/Friesian crosses,as you can probably tell from my barn.lol. For that matter,many Friesian crosses are good horses..
     
    04-06-2012, 10:32 PM
  #6
Green Broke
Almost all the Quarter Arab crosses I've seen are good all around horses. I also like the Percheron Quarter crosses I been around, they just aren't that fast.
     
    04-07-2012, 06:44 AM
  #7
Trained
Draft/tb crosses where the draft was the mare... I don't like them the other way around, they get too many draft traits and not enough sporthorse traits. Pony/tb crosses, anglo arabs, arab/welsh, quarab (though maybe not so much the quarab for my discipline). Warmblood/tb is one of my favourites, and warmblood/anglo arab is another.

One horse I know is absolutely magnificent but not a jumper at all... even so I would have him in a heartbeat. He is Percheron cross Cleveland Bay/TB/Holsteiner (mum was Percheron, dad was the crossbreed) and he is magnificent. Very draft type, you would swear he was at least 3/4 Percheron.
     
    04-07-2012, 07:04 AM
  #8
Yearling
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Originally Posted by blue eyed pony    
draft/tb crosses where the draft was the mare... I don't like them the other way around, they get too many draft traits and not enough sporthorse traits. Pony/tb crosses, anglo arabs, arab/welsh, quarab (though maybe not so much the quarab for my discipline). Warmblood/tb is one of my favourites, and warmblood/anglo arab is another.

One horse I know is absolutely magnificent but not a jumper at all... even so I would have him in a heartbeat. He is Percheron cross Cleveland Bay/TB/Holsteiner (mum was Percheron, dad was the crossbreed) and he is magnificent. Very draft type, you would swear he was at least 3/4 Percheron.
That might be a bit of an unfair generalization. I know of at least one draft cross who is out of a TB mare and by a Shire stallion. You can click on my barn and see pictures! I'd say she's relatively light and "sporhorsey." Breeders hopefully know to some degree what their stallion or mares are likely to throw and that a certain draft stud crosses well with TB mares, but punters like you and I aren't in a position to say what a cross will or won't look like.
     
    04-07-2012, 09:57 AM
  #9
Trained
It is a bit of a generalisation but it is strongly founded in statistics. The vast majority of heavy over light crosses result in more heavy traits than light ones. This is information I got from one of my state's top sporthorse breeders who ONLY breeds light over heavy after years and years of experience breeding clydesdale sporthorses. She consistently produces incredibly talented showjumpers and eventers and not one horse that comes from her property is any less than great quality. Majority of her horses are exceptional.

I do think that if you're going to cross such totally different types as a draft and a tb, you really need to know what you're doing. That's why I don't cross them myself. Because I don't have 30 years of experience breeding horses and knowing which draft will compliment which lighter horse.

I love drafts, it's nothing against them, they're just not suitable for my discipline, so a horse with too many draft traits, as much as I love them, isn't going to be suitable for my purposes. I want a horse that's as close to the warmblood type as you can get, if I'm looking at a part draft. It doesn't have to have the massive warmblood movement, it just has to have jumping talent out the wazoo and a relatively tractable temperament.

Certainly from the crosses I've seen, the draft stud over TB mare is a far more common cross (and lovely in its own right), but the TB stud over draft mare is a more consistent cross and you're less likely to get the big head, upright shoulder and posty hind of many drafts. The draft horse population in Australia is not as awesome as the rest of the world, but it is improving.

PLUS, if you look at it from a mare safety point of view, the bigger mare is going to be more easily capable of giving birth to her foal than if you put the TB mare in foal to the draft. Less risk of the foal growing too big for its mother to push it out when it's the mare that's the bigger one. Though most foals only grow to the size available to them (as evidenced by an embryo transfer experiment years ago where a purebred shire embryo was put in a miniature mare, and the mare foaled with no issues), some do grow too large for their mothers, and that's when you have real problems. So why not reduce that risk if you can?
     
    04-07-2012, 10:51 AM
  #10
Yearling
There is breed registery for Saddlebred/Arab crosses known as the National Show Horse. However, as I recall it is a bit costly to have a Stallion nominated for the breed registery before breeding for the cross. I stand corrected if I have my facts wrong on that. I know a horsewoman who has a Shire stallion she crosses on TB mares and gets some great 3-Day Eventers. She, herself is a Dressage trainer. Three friends I once trail rode with had Draft crosses. Two of them had geldings by the same Shire stallion out of TB mares that I knew. The other friend had a Belgian/QH cross. Their horses were very versitile in going English, Dressage specificially and Western. Welsh/Arab crosses make a good cross, too. Another cross I have seen is the Walkaloosa which is half Tennesse Walker and half Appaloosa. I had another friend I rode with who had a Missouri Foxtrotter/Arab cross gelding. That horse inherited the Foxtrotter gait.
     

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