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post #21 of 66 Old 01-14-2010, 04:55 PM
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I got JJ just off the track for nothing, because his owner wanted him to go to a nonracing home.

The reason? He never really wanted to race. He's not big on competition, or even moving if he doesn't have to!

Some of them just don't WANT to race. Don't know if this guy is like that or not, but I suppose you'll find out.
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post #22 of 66 Old 01-14-2010, 04:57 PM
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Horse Racing is a hard business to get into, especially if your not rich. I would buy the horse to be retrained as a riding horse. If you did bring him back to the races he would probably be a claimer, and he could be claimed away from you in his first race. If he's 7 then he will be a good horse for a long time, just not as a racehorse. I watch horse racing a lot, and the claimer lot is a lot of the times in a sorry condition. He seems like a good riding horse though.

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post #23 of 66 Old 01-14-2010, 06:53 PM Thread Starter
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Originally Posted by maura View Post
Please go back and read my entire post. I have worked in the industry. I am *well* aware that it's not miserable for all or even most horses. My point was that a 7 year old, running in cheap races for an owner on a tight budget and most likely, running off of the farm is not a lot of fun long term nor is it a money making endeavor. I know, because I have many friends - small breeders, excercise riders, vets, hangers on, who've done it.

The fact that he's 5 miles from the track and has a friend with a trainer's licencse changes the equation somewhat. If the horse trains well, and he wants to run him for the summer for the fun of it, maybe it's not such a terrible idea. But, as another poster mentioned above, he runs the risk of injury and ruining the horse as a riding horse.

I never said anywhere that i was on a tight budget. i am not rich,but my horses are very well taken care of and i DO have the money to take very good care of them. however, i do understand your point. racehorses prices add up fast when you consider all that goes into them.
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post #24 of 66 Old 01-15-2010, 06:58 AM
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Good luck with this project!

Post back often and let us know how it's going and how he's doing.
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post #25 of 66 Old 01-15-2010, 09:23 AM
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had he not won a race in his life,he would have been descent in a maiden class. those are typically nice easy races. a lot of times people in there hold their horses back from winning because theyre good enough in a maiden, but once they win that race and have to move out of that class theyre just not competitive. that would have been a descent set up for him.....

if you want to take your shot at him go ahead. see how he qualifies and what class he would fit. and go from there. sometimes these guys do make a turn around. but the hardest part of racing is not getting too connected to these horses because they can be claimed from you at ANY time if theyre racing in a claimer (which is where you would need to put him.. he doesnt show enough to really bother putting him in a condition race and getting his head caved in day in and day out) what you will want to do is put him in the easiest races possible, and get his confidence built up. baby him through the races and dont push him until hes really confident and ready. this means you probably wont make squat for a little while... but this is key in conditioning a horse to want to do its best in a race.

good luck with it... let us know what you decide to do.

and like i said before, if its something you want to get into not just for fun but for profit, youre going to want to look at a better horse than that. check out the actual races and think of maybe claiming a nice one out of there. this way your horse is already ready to go.

whats awesome is when you claim a horse someone really likes, you race them and make money with them, and then they claim them back. its like renting a horse for a few weeks! you lose nothing if it goes that way. we have had that quite a few times! lol
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post #26 of 66 Old 01-15-2010, 09:58 AM
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I know enough about racing to get by, but from what I do know his bloodlines look fabulous, lots of famous names
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post #27 of 66 Old 01-15-2010, 10:53 AM
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I think this is probably a nice horse for the money ~ provided he will pass the vet check. I would have a full on and extensive exam. May want to know if he has ever been injured or had injections...things of that nature.

My father has been in this industry for over 20 yrs. I have seen both sides of the industry. Good and Bad.

Might I make a suggestion...
If you would like to get your foot into this business, I would suggest that you invest in a much younger horse. I say this only because you will start from scratch and can work your way up. There will much better opportunities with a younger horse.

Now...about this gelding....Yes Storm Cat is a wonderful sire. My father has had a few of his offspring out of his personal mares.
I think you actually might have way way more fun taking this guy and giving him a new job....doing something that the both of you can enjoy.

Racing is a very tough business and I suspect that if your interested in making an invetment into the action you can find a better Race prospect given the economy.
There has to be some training facilities around that have youngsters that are sort of in the same situation as this gelding. Just younger and possibly fitter.

I wish you all the best on this venture. How exciting either way you decide to go.

Keep us posted on how things are going. And, feel free to PM me if you have any questions. Not sure If I can help but I can always try my best....
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post #28 of 66 Old 01-15-2010, 11:33 AM
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Halfpass- Agreed. i like to explain the options that she has if she does decide to buy and race- from the "inside". its something i have been doing since i was in high school, and i now own and train my own. there is the good, bad, and the just plain ugly to racing. and this is a lot of what people dont know.

while i agree in investing in a younger horse who hasnt had the time off like this one has, its going to cost more than $300.

let me put it this way... there is a REASON that hose is $300. it may not have anything to do with soundness, it could just be the fact that he cant hold his own as a racehorse, some just cant. some dont want to.

i wouldnt focus on bloodlines. really, it means nothing in the end. i have had horses that were bred crap to crap and made awesome racehorses. and i have had racehorses bred out the butt that werent crap. look at my one mare... shes is BRED out the BUTT i mean BRED! but really, shes nothing as a racehorse. her personality gets in the way of her racing. sometimes she will whip out a win when you least expect it, and other times when shes racing against horses that cant beat their own shadow, shes crap and just sucks along. so unless youre looking for a broodmare prospect, dont focus on bloodlines. its about the horse, his conformation, soundness, and HIS PERSONALITY. a horse can have allll the breeding and talent in the world, but with a personality that is conflicting, you have nothing.
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post #29 of 66 Old 01-15-2010, 03:07 PM Thread Starter
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thanks everyone for your time and was all very helpful!
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post #30 of 66 Old 01-15-2010, 10:03 PM
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Keep us posted. I am excited for you no mater what your intended use for this gelding. He may turn out to a gem no mater what his job is...
As long as you and he are both happy then it all works out!
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