My little brindle Arab colt finallllly got here from Texas today He is super cute, but he is underweight and has a hay belly (as you will see in the pics). He is only just 3 though so he has plenty of growing left to do! His sire is Insignia DeSha and dam is Bint Bint Saffina.
Because he is a brindle AHA said they won't register him unless he is registered grey so I am going to do that....
My question is I bought him from someone that got him from DeShazer Arabians so will I need to have the original breeders signature or something or can he just be registered by putting in his sire and dam i.d numbers?
This is probably a super silly question,but I haven't registered an Arab before...so....
I only got to spend about 1/2 hour with before I had to get to work so the pics aren't great....I just snapped them real quick
OH! He also needs a name! if you have any good ideas.....:lol:
Cute little guy! Crazy color! I wonder if he'll grey out... did you just buy him cause he's brindle? His color reminds me of a bloody shoulder.
Yes, you'll have to have the previous owner/breeder's signature to register him. I believe with the babies its the signature of the owner of the dam at the time of the foaling.
I was going to say the same (about bloody shoulder). I read somewhere that true brindles will have different textures to each color, one being more "raised" than the other. It will be interesting to see if he keeps his color as he gets older, or eventually evens out all gray.
Thanks I like him so far! He has a great personality.
Uh....yeaaa...I admit it...I bought him for the color I know...bad bad bad...I couldnt resist,though But he isn't for breeding he is cut and I don't think his confo will be too bad once he fills out so I got lucky.
Too bad on the breeder question...Since I bought him from the person they sold him to I am not sure if the breeder will sign or anything :-|
Guess I will email and try. I would really like him to be registered even if he won't be shown or bred...
He kind of looks like a rose gray- a chestnut going gray.
To be gray, at least one parent must be gray. My colt is turning gray, and his mom is a gray. But his dad was a chestnut and baby is a chestnut going gray.
But your guy is so cool, it would be a shame to loose the color. But he would be gorgeous either way.
I don't know much about brindles... is the color of his skin patterned like the hair? I'll do some research on brindle... he could grey out if it's not a "true" brindle.
I would think the breeder would want it's babies registered, and I don't see why they WOULDN'T sign your papers. Surely they'd remember their brindle baby
This is his sire Insignia DeSha, bay of course, his dam is Bint Bint Saffina and I do not have any pictures of her so I don't know her color,but I am guessin she is grey
The only thing about the gray gene is I think it trumps other colors. So a horse could be born any color and then gray out if it inherits the gene.
But that's a good question. Is he brindle and will stay that way, or is the brindling an expression of the gray gene? Obviously most grays never go through a brindle stage, but it could be a strange expression of graying out. I do know however, there are/were solid color brindles with white striping that stay that way.
And some brindles are chimeric, they are actually the product of a reabsorbed twin and so the horse carries two sets of DNA (if I remember my research correctly). That isn't always the case, but it is the case with some brindles.
The only thing about the gray gene is I think it trumps other colors. So a horse could be born any color and then gray out if it inherits the gene.
But that's a good question. Is he brindle and will stay that way, or is the brindling an expression of the gray gene? Obviously most grays never go through a brindle stage, but it could be a strange expression of graying out. I do know however, there are/were solid color brindles with white striping that stay that way.
And some brindles are chimeric, they are actually the product of a reabsorbed twin and so the horse carries two sets of DNA (if I remember my research correctly). That isn't always the case, but it is the case with some brindles.
Do you know if there are any tests or anything for brindle/chimeric? I don't know a lot about them either. I have done a lot of research,but there just isn't a lot of info...if there was a test I would sure like to get it for him! I am really curious.
the actual skin appears to have the same colors, I talked to the breeder and they did remember him, they said since brindles can't be shown they didn't register him, I haven't asked them yet whether or not they would care if I did...This is his dam...no pics,though
the actual skin appears to have the same colors, I talked to the breeder and they did remember him, they said since brindles can't be shown they didn't register him, I haven't asked them yet whether or not they would care if I did...This is his dam...no pics,though
Too bad it doesn't list her color. But if you talk to the breeder again, you can ask. Maybe just ask them if HE is a gray. Because if he is, then he would have been born a solid color.
Okay, so being a brindle he could be Chimera (two embryos, two sets of genetics, merge into one foal that has two sets of genes... so if you DNA tested him, he's have two sets of results). Little is known about the brindle gene though. So in a nutshell if both sets of DNA have the grey gene, he will grey out. However, if only one set of DNA has the grey gene, it will continue to grey out while the other will stay its own color. That is, if the Chimera thing is correct.
It looks to me like he's going to grey out, or at least be reduced to flea bitten grey. I say this because of the way the darker color appears kind of like a rose grey as someone said before. I don't know though, only time will tell!
I don't think he'd grey out. Brindling has been shown in some studies to be linked to chimerism. An interesting article about it appeared a while back in the AQHA mag:
Hey Indyhorse, we were reading each other's minds, lol!
It sounds like he might not be a gray if he was born brindle. That is GOOD news for your brindle.....he will hopefully stay that way!
So have the breeders produced other brindles? I had no idea there was a brindle "line" in Arabians. How cool! If it is genetic, then he probably isn't a chimeric, because chimeric is kind of a fluke of nature, from what I understand.
I don't care if the Arabian horse association likes it or not, I love exotic, beautiful colors.
Hey Indyhorse, we were reading each other's minds, lol!
It sounds like he might not be a gray if he was born brindle. That is GOOD news for your brindle.....he will hopefully stay that way!
So have the breeders produced other brindles? I had no idea there was a brindle "line" in Arabians. How cool! If it is genetic, then he probably isn't a chimeric, because chimeric is kind of a fluke of nature, from what I understand.
I don't care if the Arabian horse association likes it or not, I love exotic, beautiful colors.
The breeder said " we don't keep the brindle foals" ,but they didn't outright said they had had others....they just said it in the plural so I assumed they must have a had a few...can't be sure of course. when I email I will ask them that too out of curiosity!
lol...no problem with that i am a picture-a-holic! I will go in the morning and get more. It will be fun to see him now and then when he is a filled out and muscled!
Wow, so they've produced more than one?! Their horses/lineage should be tested/researched for sure!
I think AHA dislikes brindles because it IS sort of a fluke, but maybe because it's just not mainstream like the sabino gene used to be. It could be that there just haven't been any quality brindle arabs to bring good light to the color. No offense, but your guy is not national champion quality, so I'm glad he was gelded, and I'm glad you're not breeding for color, good job!
Maybe not, but there are A LOT of Arabians out there that aren't nationals quality. My first and second horses were Arabians, and I'll be the first to admit they were a bit conformationally challenged, but they were still good horses. I enjoyed the heck out of them.
I went and found the for-sale ad for him, and it listed him as a gray brindle.
Not that it matters, but I am really curious if he is an actual gray or not.
Even if he was born with color, I am thinking all bets are off as to how the gray genetics are expressed with brindle. His mane and tail look like a gray, especially the tail, being lighter at the end. I wonder if he has been getting lighter as he ages? Like was he born that exact shade of "gray" or was he a darker horse with brindling and he is now a lighter horse with brindling?
Just random thoughts, I am not a color expert by any stretch of the imagination.
It seems like I did find a photo of a gray brindle TB somewhere in my travels on the internet.
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