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        02-21-2010, 06:31 PM
      #11
    Yearling
    All 5 of our mares are in raging, squirting heat right now. Yet show zero interest in my grandmother's colt(soon to be gelding, even though he is a purdy buckskin).

    I understand that the OP is not in the US. It still bothers me. You have beautiful, well bred, accomplished mares(I assume, since I read in another post that babies are already sold!), bred to beautiful, well bred, accomplished stallions. That is a different story. But anyone breeding willy nilly just because they want a baby makes me want to stab myself, seriously. Because(no offense to the OP, I know nothing of your knowledge), MOST people that breed just for a kyoot baby know nothing about breeding and the dedication it takes. I fully intend to be an Appaloosa breeder in the long run(like..ten years from now). But not until I do ALL the research about bloodlines, what crosses well with what, and have accomplished horses with beautiful conformation.
         
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        02-21-2010, 07:20 PM
      #12
    Green Broke
    Wow, for once I agree with Kevin. :] Well said.
         
        02-21-2010, 07:25 PM
      #13
    Green Broke
    Frankly, I am glad Kassierae does what she does. Someone needs to be the voice of reason when people come on here dreaming outloud with completely unrealistic expectations of their crossbreeding experience with their backyard mare leading to them producing the next champion, or making them rich. Someone needs to shed the light of reason, and personally I'm glad Kassierae does. Yes, some people might find it tedious when every breeding question is answered with a question, but if that question makes the OP's think twice about why they are doind what they are doing, then Kassie has done a service to the greater horse world and I applaud her dedication.

    There aren't many people who own mares that haven't thought once of taking advantage of their horses' ability to produce. If every person who thought such thoughts didn't get subjected to some reasoning, we would have a much bigger problem then we already do.

    So, for my part, thank you, Kassie, I think you are doing the right thing.
         
        02-21-2010, 09:16 PM
      #14
    Trained
    Quote:
    we would have a much bigger problem then we already do.
    How do you know they have that problem where the OP lives?

    Where I live you can sell a fugly, grade horse that is decently broken and quiet for anywhere from $1,000 to $5,000.

    A QH/Arab (Which IS registerable) is a very desirable cross and would sell for much more if broken, and if a decent enough type, would sell for at least $1,000 unbroken.

    I agree 100% with Kevin.
         
        02-21-2010, 09:31 PM
      #15
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by wild_spot    
    How do you know they have that problem where the OP lives?

    Where I live you can sell a fugly, grade horse that is decently broken and quiet for anywhere from $1,000 to $5,000.

    A QH/Arab (Which IS registerable) is a very desirable cross and would sell for much more if broken, and if a decent enough type, would sell for at least $1,000 unbroken.

    I agree 100% with Kevin.

    In my above post, I was speaking in general. And I stand by my reasoning, regardless of where a poster might live, breeding a horse IS something that should be thought twice about before plunging in. Where you live, maybe you CAN get a fugly, grade horse that is quiet for $1-5,000.00. Where I live you can get a fugly, grade horse that is quiet for $10 bucks at auction. Should we respond to the poster making assumptions about what we personally value in a horse, and what prospective prices they could get for their horse? Or should we post a response based on what little information the OP has given us? In my earlier post, where I responded directly to the OP, I asked only what the OP intended to do with the prospective foal in two years when they entered the army and weren't going to be around. Which is still a valid point, IMO. If the person had said nothing of "desirable" crosses, but stated only that they were leaving for the army in two years and should they play at raising a foal in the meantime, would you be telling them they should go for it?
         
        02-21-2010, 09:36 PM
      #16
    Foal
    Thank you Kevin. The question isn't whether to breed, it's how to help get it done!! I hope the stallion is breeding her for you. But also this time of year, it may be a transitional heat, and she isn't really fertile yet. Many stallions know when a mare is about to ovulate and will breed her then, and they often know when it isn't a true fertile heat, or she isn't close to ovulating yet. So they wait. The stallions are usually smarter than we are. So listen to him

    If it's a transitional heat, it could go on for weeks before she is really ready to breed. Can you leave her there til then?
         
        02-21-2010, 09:39 PM
      #17
    Trained
    Quote:
    Should we respond to the poster making assumptions about what we personally value in a horse, and what prospective prices they could get for their horse?
    No, we shouldn't. So wether it is papered or not, and what the resultant foal would bring at auction in your country, should be irrelevant.

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    I asked only what the OP intended to do with the prospective foal in two years when they entered the army and weren't going to be around. Which is still a valid point, IMO.
    Of course it's a valid point. But I don't think the OP said they were leaving for the army, only joining - I will wait until they respond to make a judgement on that. It's the OMG you shouldn't breed because the foal won't be purebred, etc, that I hate.

    Oh, and to Kassieray, pretty often does equal well conformed.
         
        02-21-2010, 09:51 PM
      #18
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by wild_spot    
    It's the OMG you shouldn't breed because the foal won't be purebred, etc, that I hate.
    Hey, that I can agree with ~ have you SEEN my horses? The one on my avatar is a cross of three breeds. (gasp) I've stated on several threads I don't have issues with crossbreds, and I don't see a lot of use for papers outside the show ring. I have a crossbred mare about to foal with a crossbred colt. I didn't breed her myself and were it up to me, she would not have been bred, because pregnancies are hard on a horse and people don't always think things through. I would have loved to save the money I have already shelled out in vet bills and supplies, and money I will surely continue to part with over the next many years with another mouth to feed. But I accept it for what it is, and I don't have issues with that. What I do have issues with everybody and their brother thinking they should breed their mare just because she has ovaries. People who have no experience, no knowledge and have not done their homework. People who have no intention to spend the money and have the mare/foal properly vetted, or people who chose a stud based what is close and cheap rather than if it will compliment the breeding at all. And that's where I do agree with Kassie. And no, I am not assuming that the OP IS one of the people described as above. Nor am I assuming they are NOT.
         
        02-21-2010, 10:11 PM
      #19
    Banned
    If people only bred their well bred and perfectly conformed high class show horses, many(most) of us wouldn't have the horses we have today. I sure as heck can't afford a $30,000 horse.
    Every time somone post a question about a certain breeding thing when they already have the stud picked out, or are asking for help on choosing a stud, it isn't our place to lecture them about the costs of breeding. Maybe their mare isn't perfect, but maybe you want a baby from her because she is so great with everything she does! As long as the mare has decent conformation and temperment and the person knows how to handle a pregnant mare and foal, then why shouldn't they breed? Because there are to many in the world? Well, sorry hun, but that ain't never going to stop the overflow of horses because the people that don't care what they breed don't care enough to even come on forums like this and check first! So give people a break, and answer their question instead of lecturing. If you feel that you absolutely should, then lecture lightly with some positive comments, like"well, I really don't think you should breed, but if you do, I wish you a healthy and happy foal!" If you were more positive in your comments, then you may get a better response and more agreement.
    :)
         
        02-21-2010, 10:12 PM
      #20
    Trained
    See I agree with you about a lot of it - I don't like breeding when the people don't have the necessary knowledge or facilities, and I personally would be terrified to breed a mare of my own.

    I just hate the posts that say if you aren't breeding something that is up to MY standard (The person posting, wether it be breed, papered, looks, conformation, etc.) That you shouldn't breed, you are being irresponsible, and the foal will end up in a kill pen.
         

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