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post #21 of 29 Old 02-21-2010, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by wild_spot View Post
I just hate the posts that say if you aren't breeding something that is up to MY standard (The person posting, wether it be breed, papered, looks, conformation, etc.) That you shouldn't breed, you are being irresponsible, and the foal will end up in a kill pen.
omg. wow. took the words right out of my mouth! now we should just get back on topic here.
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post #22 of 29 Old 02-22-2010, 12:58 AM
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Okay. First off, thank you Indy. Second, I have ZERO issue with crossbreeding if it is done right. Third, if the overall quality of all horses improves, yes, there WILL be horses affordable to the general public because there are still culls from the breeding farms that sell for decent prices. I don't think only show champions should be bred(It may seem like I am contradicting myself, but hear me out). As long as a mare is very well conformed and at least successful in something, whether it be a ranch horse or a lesson horse or a show horse, I think it could be a broodmare prospect. And no, pretty does not always equal good conformation. Many people say my gelding is very pretty, and I think he is too. But his conformation is horrible, he's sickle hocked, cow hocked, has a short neck, thick throatlatch, and both fronts turn out. So yes, pretty does not always equal well conformed. And I think EVERYONE breeding should have a high standard. Breeding is NOT to create more horses, it is to IMPROVE upon the horses you have. And if a mare and stallion have crappy conformation, how in the world is that improving upon the breed?
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post #23 of 29 Old 02-22-2010, 02:46 AM Thread Starter
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The wither here is very worm at this time of year the pastures are full of lush green grass, and the horse market is not AT ALL like in the US. People breed and sell for more the 300$ for a VERY simple horse, and they get good homes.
And about the foal... Any horsemen knows that you can put a colt in a pasture after its weaned, until it is ready to be ridden. And I can't do the same with my mare, because she has lived in a flat surface and small pasture.
The lands hear are VERY rocky. I am not going to take the risk of my mare if she runs throe the rocks and breaks her legs. And if I put the foal (after weaned) in the HUGE pasture, he will get used to the rocky plane and be better on the trail. And when I get out of the IDF (Israeli Defense Force) it will be about 2 years, And I will be able to start training him
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post #24 of 29 Old 02-22-2010, 02:51 AM
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The mare will be fine on the rocky pasture, my horses live on a shale pit/mountain and we have never had any issues with new horses haveing problems with it. They learn to navigate the terrain, and adapt very well. And unless there is plenty of grazing on that pasture or someone feeding it the foal will not likely survive, if what you say about the rocks is true.
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post #25 of 29 Old 02-22-2010, 03:46 AM Thread Starter
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My friend that has that pasture put out 4 colts, after weaned, and they live there very well. No colt has gotten sick and died. I think that you, Kassie, are a little OVER reacting about breeding. Not to be MEAN or any thing.
I ride my mare in these rocky hills and I KNOW how she dos in rocky places.
She is a pure bred Arabian and they are VERY spooky and shy horses, I know her like the back of my hand, and a bunch of locals have sed she is beautiful and that they want her, I don't want them to take her and I want to fined her a good home. I DO NOT want to breed her again - only this once. She is the BEST horse I ever had and I want a colt with that personality.

To Kassie.....
I read all of the posts and - you are a bit negitive.
You have sed that - you your self want to be a breeder. You are going to bring foals in to this world when there is plenty in it!
I know the world if full of horses, but not nothing like my Jilly!!!
I really hope you understand my reasons
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post #26 of 29 Old 02-22-2010, 04:21 AM
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To be honest, in some aspects I do, but most I don't. In order to be a responsible breeder I feel that one should research the breed the intend to breed, learn all that they possibly can about conformation, temperaments, what lines cross well with what, and what faults can be overlooked and what cannot be overlooked. Like I said, my operation will not be started for at least another ten years, when hopefully the market is back to normal, and also when I have purchased/trained the highest quality stallion or mare that I possibly can afford. And if I cannot afford to have the highest available quality out there, I will not be breeding. For as many mediocre horses there are out there, the only horse I will bring into this world will be one of the highest quality. I am sure you love your mare, I love my mare with all my heart. She's beautiful, talented in her discipline, and has taken me very far. We have been the Grand Champion for 3 years in a row on our local circuit. She has an awesome personality, and to top it off she's a sorrel paint with a blue eye. However, she is not a breeding quality animal. She is cow hocked and downhill, among other things. I can also guarantee you that the foal will turn out to be very different than your mare.

Also, not all Arabians are spooky and high strung. I have worked with many of them, and found that they can be very gentle. My first trail horse was a purebred Arabian gelding. He was as quiet as they come, as were most of the Arabians I have encountered. I may be young, but I am not an idiot and I don't fall into the sterotypes, such as Arabians and Tb's are hot headed, Appaloosas are stupid, paints are this, quarter horses are that. Every horse is an individual and should be treated as such.

Like I said, I am sure you love your mare, but I do not beleive that is a good enough reason for any animal to be bred. Not dogs, cats, horses, pigs, sheep, etc.
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post #27 of 29 Old 02-22-2010, 05:13 AM Thread Starter
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I am not breeding for looks.... You are not getting my point at all!!
I know Arabians, and I know my horse very well. I know that she will have a very hard time getting use to rocky places.
I have done plenty of research on Arabians, and where I live, is pretty close to where the Arabian horses came from... I think I have heard plenty about Arabians and what they can and can't do in my part of the country!

And another thing... If you are going to breed for quality... how do you know if my mare or the stallion is not of the "highest" in country!!
And how do you if in ten years the market will go down?!?!? Maybe it will get worse?? There is not many people like you how will stop this type of breeding.

I want to breed for stamina! I prefer to have a mix (cross) then a pure bred animal... I think they have a bunch of problems and need help with very thing... breeding, foaling, ect...
I prefer cross in this country - less problems, less vet bills and they fit more in my country.
Yes, my mare is a pure bred Arabian, but I did not choose that. Some one could not handle her and her 4 sisters - they bred for beauty - and she was the worst off... I offered to give her a nice home, and she is much better now!!
I will NEVER let that happen. I was never going to breed my mare is I wasn't responsible, and if I couldn't afford it!
And you can't guarantee ANY THING about the foal. Maybe it will maybe it will not.
I know what kind of horse will de the best for me and for this countries rocky places and weather
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post #28 of 29 Old 02-22-2010, 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by YaelFauth View Post
She is the BEST horse I ever had and I want a colt with that personality.
You do know that there's no telling what the personality would be of the foal, right? It may or may not act like your mare.
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post #29 of 29 Old 02-22-2010, 08:21 AM Thread Starter
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Originally Posted by CheyAut View Post
You do know that there's no telling what the personality would be of the foal, right? It may or may not act like your mare.
I know... I wrote that up top.
But if it will in this foal I will be bleesed!!!!
Thank you to every one who helpd me !!
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