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post #1 of 18 Old 09-06-2012, 05:34 PM Thread Starter
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Help me choose a good Dressage stallion

I have thought this over and over, and decided I really want to do this. My friend has an amazing mare who I've been riding for the last year. She really has some good dressage potential - she is rideable, good temperament, very nice gaits, easy to collect, nice conformation.. Sadly, my friend refuses to sell her as she is too dear to her. I completely understand, she is an amazing little girl :) But luckily, my friend (meaning her owner) has agreed that I could breed her to a stallion of my choice, and get her foal. That suits me perfectly - I have time to improve myself till the mare foals + 3 more years till my potential filly or colt grows up.

Now, I would like to breed her to a nice dressage stallion (since I myself am really into dressage). I hope you all won't jump on me all at once because of this, as yes I know there is a lot of random breeding going on everywhere. But this is not one of those ''oh I want to grow up with my pretty foal and we both will be best friends'' , no. I have really, truly thought about this and have a set goal in mind.

In the future I'm thinking of doing some upper-level amateur classes with this potential foal, firstly. I need him/her to have good gaits and conformation, but not too highly strung. I myself will be riding this foal and competing.

I do have dreams of Grand Prix, so ideally this potential foal should be able to go as far as that. I don't know if I'm maybe pushing it too much, hoping for a relaxed-minded horse that could go to that level? Are my expectations too high? Probably though I won't go that far with him/her. Mostly amateur upller-lvl classes..

Why I won't use a local stud to do the job? I would use a stallion from Estonia, but we don't have many dressage horses here - all seem to be showjumpers. I also can't really buy a good dressage youngster locally either, because we just don't have any.

Anywho, the reason why I started this thread is because I would love some help on choosing the stallion.
The stallion should be in Europe. The semen will be ordered frozen, to arrive in Estonia. My price range would stay below 1000euro. Ideally around 500, but for the right stallion I'm willing to pay more (+ ofcourse the shipping costs).
I don't really have much preference other than nice confo, good moving, willingness to work. This may sound a little bit stupid, but I have a thing socks/stockings. So if he would happen to have white feet, that would definitely be a plus (:

So far I've been looking around here - Elite Stallions: Home but all the stallions there seem to be very, very hot. Still, two I've had my eyes on are:
Sarkozy - link here
Denario - link here
Any thoughts on them or other studs listed there?

I've also scanned various forums for similar threads. So far I like the idea of the Rubinstein line, but sadly all his sons seem to be priced out of my reach.

Oh, just in case, I added some pictures of the mare too - please do keep in mind that she is only 4 and needs a lot of work. We both do.
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post #2 of 18 Old 09-06-2012, 07:22 PM
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You can never go wrong with Sandro, Donnerhall, Weltmeyer and Bolero.
I would, if I was you, try to see foals. They are the proof of a good stallion.
You don't mention the pedigree of the mare. From what I see she could use some improvement. Shoulder is the most needy. And she could also use a little "pretty".
She pushes nicely from behind, but the freedom of movement in the shoulder is not there.
I liked Sarkozy, although Denario seems to have the better movement.
Keep in mind that the stallion gives max 50% to the foal, so he can't do wonders. I'd also look on the mare's pedigree if there are any common ancestors.

And, keep in mind that there are many young horses already in this world, maybe for less money a home bred foal would cost. And, don't forget, nobody knows what the future will bring, so if you decide to breed, please breed the best you can afford, a foal that is marketable, should the need arise.
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I love Amoureux...he's quite handsome and a dressage stallion. Price is very nice and affordable as well. I'm from the USA so not quite sure how the exchange rate works but I think he's in your range. And he has 4 white feet:)

Amoureux - Homozygous Black Dressage Stallion at stud UK Saros Van 't Gestelhof x Krack C

Another nice stallion who would guarantee you a tobiano foal. He was never shown due to an injury but has nice dressage lines along with other disciplines.

Solaris Buenno Homozygous coloured warmblood stallion at stud in the UK Scotland

Here is a beautiful cremello warmblood stallion by the same breeder.

McJonnas - Cremello Warmblood Stallion at stud Scotland UK

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I really like the stallion Quaterback, I've seen some absolutely amazing horses from him this year. I know he is a bit over your price, but are there any sons of his that are available for you?

I would look at a stallion with Donnerhall or Sandro Hit blood, those two are really exceptional stallions.

I have seen some really nice horses from Johnson, but he has Jazz blood in him... they tend to be a bit hot.

Lingh (Edward Gal used to ride this stallion.) is another nice stallion, my barn owner has a yearling out of this stallion and she is the sweetest thing ever. So easy to handle, moves great and is very pretty.
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post #6 of 18 Old 09-07-2012, 04:39 PM Thread Starter
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Sorry about that empty post earlier, I'm still getting to know my new phone, lol.

Thanks for all the info, I really really appreciate that :) the mare is an andalusian cross. Sire is pure andy and Dam is a mix between a orlov stallion and a local warmblood breed.

I think I have to do a lot of research before deciding on anything for sure. As I heard that the mare has a weak shoulder, I should probably find a stallion that would help that a bit.

Amoureux is just stunning, I just get goosebumps when I see socks on good dressage horses. I love Solaris Buenno too - though, I'm not entirely sure how I feel about a tobiano warmblood. I guess I'm used to seeing them in more classical colors
Do you think, if I were to choose Amoureux, it would be a good match with this mare -conformation wise?
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I know you don't want negative here but if your friend is so devoted to this mare have you considered how you - and she - will feel if anything goes wrong and the mare dies?
Foaling isn't always straightforward
By the time you've paid for a top class stallion, all the related vet fees and insurance, the cost of keeping the foal until its old enough to break you could have saved enough money to go out and buy your dream youngster without all the stress, hassle and risks
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Not weak...too straight. Now hearing about half Andy...they go up with the knees, only the "newer" andalusians are bred for more reach. The Orlow should give nice trot, since it is a trotting breed.
I'd go for a stallion with very good trot, a pretty head too. With Hannover lines the "pretty" should come.
I'd be careful with the white socks, tho...if they're not even, judges might punish you for uneven gaits.....
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Are you wanting something that is amature friendly? If so, I'd steer clear of the Sandro and Jazz lines, they are well known for throwing very hot horses - yes they are spectacular, but I personally wouldn't have one in my paddock.

Being an andy cross, I'd be inclined to look towards more 'modern' type stallions, a little lighter bone, open shoulders, swinging backs.
I love D line stallions, generally great temperaments and very good horses - Germany's whole Olympic Dressage team was comprised of Donnerhall's.

Also consider your riding ability. Do you want a horse with huge, flashy paces? Not many people can ride them. I selected my youngster specifically because his sire is known to throw three beautiful, but very ridable paces. No point having a super flash mover if you can't do anything with those paces.
Another thing to look at with paces, is that a lot of the Young Horse winners in Europe don't make it to Grand Prix. Those huge paces are **** near impossible to collect and manouver.

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I often read your post, I just thought I would say to keep the good work!
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