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post #1 of 10 Old 10-09-2011, 03:59 PM Thread Starter
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Help me find the perfect stud?

A good friend of mine is looking to breed her paint mare next season for a spring/early summer baby. Now, I have personally worked, ridden, and looked at this mare and she is of breeding quality.
Exceptional temperament and excellent conformation. This woman takes extremely good care of her horses, she has a gelding with horrible feet (she bought him foundered) and this horse is in pristine condition. She has two younger horses currently, a yearling filly and a long yearling gelding. The colt is trained for show-both have proper ground manners and are not pushy or difficult babies. She does know how to handle and care for a horse.

So! With that out of the way, lets talk stallions!

Requirements -
Must be in Missouri and offer Live Cover.
MUST. Absolutely MUST have an EXCEPTIONAL temperament. Broke and shown is best.
MUST be Registered Paint.
MUST have an EXCEPTIONAL conformation. From head to toe, I want to see clean legs, a beautiful head, big hip, great shoulder, excellent neck-to-chest tie in. *No* downhill built studs with horrible legs and piggy eyes.
MUST be HYPP N/N. Especially if Halter bred.

Bonuses -
Blue eyes. She does love blue eyes and would love to have another (her older gelding has one and her colt two) blue-eyed Paint.
Dilute thrower - She would love another black and white paint but she definitely has a soft spot for dilutes.
Lots of hair / throws lots of hair. Her mare, while beautiful, is not exceptional in the mane department Really not a 'gotta have', but it's a plus.

Bay Tobiano - Probably Homozygous, considering her cat-paw markings.
Big hip, great shoulder, very nice head. She does not have the very petite nose often seen on Halter bred studs. Her head is refined but not overly so. Exceptional temperament. Is currently training in Western Pleasure and trail rides a *lot*.

Will probably be shown Halter and Showmanship. Her son shows and is considering going into reining, she does have her other Paint colt who is a lovely reining prospect. So, a Reining bred colt is certainly not a must.
All of her horses are also trail horses so an overly hot or excitable bred colt would preferably be avoided.

Studs Considered -
Black and White Homozygous - Great temperament, very nice head and hip, but his neck/chest tie in was poorly.
Last Midnight - Horses Album

Dunalino (Dun + Cream) Frame Overo - Great temperament, beautiful conformation, blue eyes. Threw 100% dilutes in 2010.
Khaki Te - Buckskin Overo. Barlink Macho Man Grandson |

Really liking Khaki Te so far, but would certainly be open to looking at others

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post #2 of 10 Old 10-09-2011, 05:18 PM
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I couldn't see any pictures on that page you linked to for "Midnight"...
I thought I'd bring to your attention, in case you hadn't noticed, that the only confo picture of Khaki Te is taken at an angle which causes it to be next to impossible to tell his real conformation, sadly. Also, Khaki Te is very much downhill. If you look at his knees in front and compare where they are to his hocks, you can see that there's at least a few inches of difference there. and there seems like there's something wonky going on with his front end, I just can't put my finger on it exactly... It's sad because he's gorgeous, but he doesn't seem to fit your criteria.

I know nothing about choosing a stud so I'll go back to my corner, just thought I'd point those things out. :)
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Get the mare tested for LWO before you start considering studs. This should be a top deciding factor right alongside their HYPP status - no one wants a dead foal.

Homozygous tobianos don't have any higher occurrence of cat's paw markings, just so you know.

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i love the bucksin overo :)
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post #5 of 10 Old 10-09-2011, 07:35 PM
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i love the bucksin overo :)
There are things I like about him as well, but from my understanding overo markings dont cross the spine, and it looks like the white is he really an overo?
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Overo can cross the spine. It tends not to, but it can.

I'm with Chiilaa, get the mare tested for frame/OLWs and then start the stud hunt.

Also you should look at what crosses well with her pedigree, a mishmash of lines usually isn't the greatest.
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Originally Posted by NdAppy View Post
Overo can cross the spine. It tends not to, but it can.
Huh....didnt know that...thanks NDAppy!!!
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No recommendations on a stallion as I'm not into Paints, but I'd definitely test the mare for OLWS/frame and to see if she is in fact homozygous for her tobi pattern. If she is, then that would open up a whole 'nuther world for stallions as she'd get spots regardless if she bred to a solid stallion. Before I bred her to an Overo stallion I'd have to have the OLWS results for her at the very least.

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Overo markings are not allowed over the back. Neck is fine definitely down hill(khaki). He's beautiful!
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0.o Sorry, but frame overo can and does cross the back. It is rare, but it can and does happen.
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