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post #1 of 16 Old 04-01-2009, 08:09 AM Thread Starter
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Horse colors - bunch of questions... :)

Not sure it's a right section, but...

What generally means "bay roan"? Can paints be "roans" or not? Can the horse change color after 4th winter?

I'm just curious, because my paint started shading out, and the sides looks rather funny: like mix of brown and white hairs. She's coming 5 years old though, and somehow I always thought horses change the color in first one or two years. Am I wrong?
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Roan is white hairs that mix with the base color of the horse most don't change as they get older, grey's however do. it is possible your horse is going grey as they tend to get lighter and lighter every year. Paints can be roan or their colored parts turn grey as well

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Roan generally means any horse with a mix of white and dark hairs. A bay roan depends on the shade the main body of the horse is with white tints. Like most bays though the main tail and lower legs are black and not affected.
Some forms of sabino have roaning along the edges of their patterns. Also, I believe paints do come in roan when it comes to blue, red and bay roan.
Horses can get lighter due to the fact they have been out in the sun so it could be possible your horse is "fading".
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Thank you, folks!

I'm not sure she's getting lighter in color (and she's definitely has no gray in her, but white/brown/black), just after me combing off all this sick coat she shows more and more white/brown color. She has lots of pure white (she's the paint, what do you want! ), but those bay areas not looking "pure" bay. Rather weird, because I know neither of her parents are roan. Dad is black/white paint, mom I believe either bay qh or bay paint.
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It's probably roaning due to sabino. That can change over time, wheras a true roan would've shown up years ago (and requires a parent to be roan).
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I agree sounds sabino to me
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My Heidi is a Bay Roan. She changes seasonally. When she sheds in spring she turns nearly white with a brown head. Really funny looking. In winter she is basically bay. Your paint sounds like she is showing sabino traits. Does she have white on her muzzle which extends to her lower lip? White socks? Do you have pics?

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Thanks, Appy. Yours has a pretty color, btw.

I attached couple pics from the last year (she's not done with her coat this year yet so no pics). She was pure bay when I got her about 3 years back, then last year after she shaded out she had some white/bay mix on sides, and now she's in process of shading and it shows more and more white hairs. Those are mostly on sides, the front and the hat stay brown.
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Since she is a paint and this seems to be relatively new roaning on her - its most likely due to the sabino gene.

While Paints with a pinto pattern can be classic roans as well, the classic roan should be there already as a foal.

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>>>>>> Roan is white hairs that mix with the base color of the horse most don't change as they get older, grey's however do. it is possible your horse is going grey as they tend to get lighter and lighter every year. Paints can be roan or their colored parts turn grey as well

>>>> I'm not sure she's getting lighter in color (and she's definitely has no gray in her, but white/brown/black),

To me your mare does not look like she is greying, but a quick clarification-- greying, due to the grey gene, means the base colored hairs gradually get replaced with white hairs-- the horse might look "grey" from a distance, but its due to a mixture of white/base colored hairs, not actually any individual grey-colored hairs.

But again, she does not look grey to me-- grey follows a relatively predictable pattern, usually starting in a more visible fashion around the face and head. A horse can be any color, with any other patterning (paint, pinto, appaloosa, roan, etc.) and also be affected by the grey gene. In other words, grey itself is not the horse's "color"-- it is a gene that causes the horse's original base color to change over gradually to white. It is also as dominant gene-- if a horse is grey, it has to have had a grey parent-- if the horse has a grey gene, it will show up. Sometimes it can be VERY gradual, other times the horse is white by the time they are three. other factors (modifiers) influence the rate of change. During the change-over to white, some greys get dapples, some get fleabitten, some will keep dark legs and mane and tail, and in some the mane and tail will turn white quickly.

There is also now a test for the presence of the grey gene-- here is a link to the test, as well as more information on the inheritance of grey.

http://www.animalgenetics.us/Gray.htm

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