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    01-17-2010, 01:43 PM
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So, I have gotten a lot of spirited responses when I ask this. Please keep in mind I am not an experienced horseperson.

In early Oct. We bought myself and my children our first horse. A 15y/o B&W mare. We were told she was a turn over due to lack of money and they didn't want her to suffer and she was supposedly bombproof, kid broke, begginer safe. Without accusing, (because I have no proof) we believe she was doped. She's good on the ground but throws a fit when you try to get in the saddle. Long story short, I have her for sale but do to her need of a tune up I've not had any real prospects. She has no registration papers. So, my question is. Would it be okay to breed her for our own purposes not for profit? Could we register her foal having used a registered sire without her being registered?
     
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    01-17-2010, 02:00 PM
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You can't register the foal if the horse isn't registered. There is a drug out there that dishonost sellers will give a horse, I'm not sure what it's called but it can stay in the system for up to three months. Someone did this to a friend of mine, the horse she bought turned out to be a raving lunatic. Without being registered I wouldn't consider breeding. Especially since your mare may not have the most sound mind. You don't want to breed for a hot headed baby.

I would contact a trainer if I were you, you are already out the money on the purchase of this animal, send her to them for a consult, you may have to pay a 30 day fee depending on the trainer, some will take a horse for a couple weeks for just a few hundred dollars to tell you if the animal is salvagable. Maybe your mare has a back pain issue, maybe she's crazy. Not sure.

Worse case scenario, sell her at auction and take what you can get. Sometimes you can trade a horse in and pay a little money depending on the trainer/seller.

I'm sorry you got screwed. It's a shame that people take advantage like that.
     
    01-17-2010, 02:13 PM
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Foal
Have done the trainer thing. She believes her to be sound and sane, just more trust and dominacy issues. She just didn't think that even spending 30 days with her she would be the right beginner horse for us. Great lady we are taking riding lessons with her also. Like I said she does good on the ground and takes cofident correction well. I think with us she just know that by acting up we'll give her her way.
     
    01-17-2010, 02:19 PM
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Weanling
If you really wanted to breed her for a registered foal, I think you can breed her to an Arabian stud, and the baby could be registered half Arab. I'm not sure if the dam has to be registered for that though. If she were my mare I would not breed her. Being 15 and unbroken, unregistered and a lunatic, it probably wouldn't be the best idea to breed. You are inexperienced with horses, or at least your children are. Having a crazy adult horse raising a foal that has a pretty good chance of behaving like it's mother would not be safe for you or your children. Foals are a lot more to handlle than adults. The have absolutley no training when born, and some will buck and rear when being led. They are dangerous for children to be around, as they may kick, bite or rear infront of you.

Hope this helps you in deciding whether you should breed her or not. IMO it would not benifit you. It takes at least 2 yrs after the foal is born to train it to ride. If she were my mare I definatley would NOT breed her. Please think about this before you bring another horse into this crowded world.
     
    01-17-2010, 02:37 PM
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Please don't breed her.

1.) It will be a huge expense to you, with little to no hope of selling the foal

2.) You've said absolutely nothing about this mare's qualities or conformation that make a case for breeding her. There are lots of moderately well bred unbroken 2 and 3 years olds out there that can't be sold because there isn't a market for them now.

I sympathize with your situation, and that you're searching for *something* to do with this horse, but really, better free to a good home or a yard ornament than a broodmare.

Whether or not the foal could be registered is completely beside the point.
     
    01-17-2010, 03:10 PM
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Trained
I agree do not breed her. In this market for grade foals you can pick up even a ready to start or even a started trained horse for less then the cost of breeding. Especially with a grade mare who has no use but to toss people and eat. Those are the worse kind to breed. If you can not ride and use a mare do not breed her. Chances are you will end up with 2 of those type of horses to get ride of down the road.
     
    01-17-2010, 04:19 PM
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Foal
See here's the thing. I don't believe she's crazy and uncontrolable. I just came in form working with her on the ground, which is about all I'm really comfortable with doing at my level. She caught and haltered in a 60 acre pasture not problem. I led her around and after 3 corrections to stop walking after I did she fell in line. I didn't even tie her I just through the rope over her neck and brushed her entire body including underbelly, and hooves down. Again untied I also had her lift both her front hooves, I'm not really brave enough yet to do the back. She didn't move a muscle. I and the trainer really think that there is just something in her past that says stay out of my saddle. I can even put a child on her tied and she's fine. The trainer really just felt that we need a more docile horse. Molly has a lot of spunk and speed for what we are wanting right now. I would like to have her trained because we think that she would make a good cow horse with how we've seen her move on her own, I just don't have that $$ at this point and I have 2 little ones who want to ride and myself. I think after what I've heard from everyone is that breeding is really a bad move, so I guess I will continue to advertise her honestly but if I come into the funds I will see about having her retrained. Thanks for all ya'lls opinions they really help.
     
    01-17-2010, 04:30 PM
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Showing
I think you should just sell her and be done with it, or keep her for a companion animal. Its a huge expense in time and energy to take a horse from birth to a kid safe mount. Your talking years of training. I know a cute little baby would be nice, but take it from someone who bought a couple of maybe bred mares that I hoped weren't but were. I didn't want babies but here I am almost 4 years later still breaking them to ride.
Minus vet bills, feed and my time, although I love my babies, its just not worth it.
Get a nice older (at least 12) horse for you and your kids to enjoy NOW. Don't make you kids wait on the horse to grow up. Its not like a puppy where its good for them to "grow up" with the dog.
Next time you test ride on a horse for sale, do it many times not just once and be sure to do a "surprise" visit.
     
    01-17-2010, 04:34 PM
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Weanling
Just look for a quiet horse. Go out to the farm early the first time you see the horse, to make sure it isn't getting drugged, and go out unexpectedly. If you are looking fir a horse for your kids, you could even lease . Around here boarding stables do an insite lease with their lesson horses, so you can be pretty sure it is family safe.
     
    01-17-2010, 04:47 PM
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See here's the thing. I don't believe she's crazy and uncontrolable. I just came in form working with her on the ground, which is about all I'm really comfortable with doing at my level. She caught and haltered in a 60 acre pasture not problem. I led her around and after 3 corrections to stop walking after I did she fell in line. I didn't even tie her I just through the rope over her neck and brushed her entire body including underbelly, and hooves down. Again untied I also had her lift both her front hooves, I'm not really brave enough yet to do the back. She didn't move a muscle. I and the trainer really think that there is just something in her past that says stay out of my saddle. I can even put a child on her tied and she's fine. The trainer really just felt that we need a more docile horse. Molly has a lot of spunk and speed for what we are wanting right now. I would like to have her trained because we think that she would make a good cow horse with how we've seen her move on her own, I just don't have that $$ at this point and I have 2 little ones who want to ride and myself. I think after what I've heard from everyone is that breeding is really a bad move, so I guess I will continue to advertise her honestly but if I come into the funds I will see about having her retrained. Thanks for all ya'lls opinions they really help.
ok. This is annoying me. What I bolded, that is. Here they are in order of bold:
1) if your not comfortable with anything on the ground, how do you expect to be comfy in the saddle? Do you have any prior horse experience?
2) If you aren't brave enough to do the back feet you shouldn't have a horse. I'm sorry, but they need their hooves, front and back, picked out.
3) You arent comfortable with her though you would put a kid on her? Even tied up, it's not a good idea.
4) You say you want her spunk and speed, but yet you can't ride her and aren't comfortable doing so? Doesn't that singnal you need a calmer horse?!
5) How could you think she would be a good cow horse?Have you seen anything that would make potential for one? A 16 year old unridable mare? Hmmm
6) you GUESS you will advertise her honestly? If you chose to stretch the truth about her, you won't be any better then who sold her to you.

If she was fine when you rode her, mabe your saddle doesnt fit, she doesn't like the bit, has the trainer checked? Post a pic of how the saddle is on her and we can judge it. Sorry if I sounded harsh, but its just MHO. BTW, if you don't mind me asking...how much did you buy her for?
     

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