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post #51 of 66 Old 04-11-2012, 10:38 PM
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I know you may have made up your mind but I found one homozygous tobiano black toby stallion. Here is his link and good luck with whatever you decide.

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post #52 of 66 Old 04-11-2012, 10:41 PM
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WR I wouldn't use him for the OP's horse as she is supposedly frame and that guy carries the frame gene as well.
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Argh! That stallion has frame, which would give her a 25% chance of a dead foal.

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Sorry. I only looked at the homozygous tobiano part as I was only skimming the website. Nice catch guys.
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She is your mare and you know what your budget is, so it is your choice if you want to breed her.

I would only add one thing: You said she aborted a foal. EVERY single mare that has been pronounced in foal and subsequently doen't not produce a live foal should be cultured while she is in a standing heat.

Most mares abort foals because the fetus dies. This usually happens when a Strep bacteria or other pathogen is present. A very high percentage of these mares do not culture clean and will lose the next foal as well.

These kinds of uterine infections have absolutely no outward signs and the mares will pass an exam by a good Vet.

When we were breeding a large number of outside mares every year (100+), I got to the point where I would not breed any mare unless;
(1) She was a 'maiden' and had not been covered or inseminated before or
(2) Had a foal at her side.

Instead of having the normal (up to 10%) loss of pregnancy rate, I had a 2 - 3% loss rate after I started culturing every mare except the ones listed above. It was cheap insurance against losing a lot more money from all of the expenses of a lost pregnancy.
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She is your mare and you know what your budget is, so it is your choice if you want to breed her.

I would only add one thing: You said she aborted a foal. EVERY single mare that has been pronounced in foal and subsequently doen't not produce a live foal should be cultured while she is in a standing heat.

Most mares abort foals because the fetus dies. This usually happens when a Strep bacteria or other pathogen is present. A very high percentage of these mares do not culture clean and will lose the next foal as well.

These kinds of uterine infections have absolutely no outward signs and the mares will pass an exam by a good Vet.

When we were breeding a large number of outside mares every year (100+), I got to the point where I would not breed any mare unless;
(1) She was a 'maiden' and had not been covered or inseminated before or
(2) Had a foal at her side.

Instead of having the normal (up to 10%) loss of pregnancy rate, I had a 2 - 3% loss rate after I started culturing every mare except the ones listed above. It was cheap insurance against losing a lot more money from all of the expenses of a lost pregnancy.
What worked for me was every mare that foal in my barn had the vet put antibiotics inside her after foaling.

I also liked to re-breed on the foaling heat.
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post #57 of 66 Old 04-12-2012, 11:57 AM
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Out of curiosity, how can you tell this stallion has frame?

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You mean the stallion you posted? It states he is OLWS n/O. That means he is a carrier. OLWS n/n is a non-carrier.
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Ah. Thank you. I love learning new things.

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