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post #1 of 21 Old 07-14-2013, 03:44 PM Thread Starter
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Question How Do You Know?

Hi! So I'm just curious about a few things in regards to horse breeding. I recently bought a mare that I've been told would be an ideal broodmare per the veterinarian and previous owner. I don't plan on breeding her anytime soon - I have school and work ahead of me still - so it'd probably be at least 10 years ahead or something. I would want to be financially set before considering breeding a horse (and I'm only 23 so I have time).

What I'm wondering is how everyone acquired their knowledge of properly taking care of a pregnant mare and the entire breeding process before that.

How do you know which stallion would be best for your mare? How did you learn when the best time for them to breed is? When do you get ultrasounds? Basically, I want to know what to do and how to do everything that's included.

*I REPEAT* I'm not looking to breed my horse right away. I want to be financially secure and COMPLETELY knowledgeable about the in's and out's of breeding before even thinking about doing it.

Here's my mare's pedigree:
Roswitha Oldenburg

And since I'm at work I don't have any pictures I can upload of her, so here's a video of her being lunged the first time I saw her:

Thanks, everyone!
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post #2 of 21 Old 07-15-2013, 09:48 AM
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Aside from the obvious looking at conformation, study your horse's pedigree and the pedigree of potential stallions. Learn everything including traits, look at certain crosses and their offspring. Make contact with responsible breeders and ask questions, read. A horse may have a great pedigree with great conformation but until she foals or "his" foals are on the ground is the only true way to tell. Educating yourself to the fullest will greatly help you make a good decision when the time comes to breed. When you decide to breed, talk to your vet about proper care etc. and again, read....I think it is great you want to wait to breed, it will take a lot of time and research before one can make an responsible decision on breeding.

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post #3 of 21 Old 07-15-2013, 10:46 AM
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-first, research, research, and research. Read books, magazines and forums. Talk to breeders every chance you get. Ask tons of questions.

-evaluate your mare realistically. What are her strenths and weaknesses? What are your goals for the foal?

-then find the best stallion you can afford, that suits your goals and your mare.

-then find a fantastic vet, knowledgable in equine reproduction. Breed and hope for the best, because the whole thing is a huge gamble.
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post #4 of 21 Old 07-15-2013, 11:00 AM
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Learn as much as you can( provided you want to breed your mare) about her ancestors. Even tho she's branded Oldenburg, way over half is Hannover, and good ones, too. Then she's a combination of Weltmeyer and Rubinstein.....screams dressage. So, once you're familiar with that, think what exactly you want to breed, pick the best stallion you can afford, don't think only fad, that changes... think continuing lines, IMPROVE IMPROVE IMPROVE. Prepare yourself to maybe having to sell the foal, so it should be " attractive" to buyers.
In the meantime read, look online, ask, watch, and ask and watch more. Be also prepared for tragedy to strike. Things can go very wrong very quickly, you could lose the foal, or your mare, or both. And have enough $$ stashed away for emergencies. Then pray for luck. A lot!

Beautiful mare, btw, LOVE her dam line
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post #5 of 21 Old 07-15-2013, 09:10 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks for the input everyone! If I do breed her one day I would want to be very careful and aim for a high quality foal. I guess, as of right now, she can only breed with an Oldenburg stallion unless I get her approved with Hanoverian (her dam was approved Oldenburg and Hanoverian)? I would probably aim for a foal that could excel in jumping so I'd be sure to look into ideal stallions in that discipline.

What about inbreeding? I know thoroughbreds typically have a lot of inbred blood. With other breeds do most people try their best to avoid inbreeding even if the stallion seems like a suitable match?

Is it better to do AI or live cover, or does that just depend? Do both methods have somewhat equal success rates? What are some good books or magazines to read up on and how could I find out more information about her pedigree? A lot of the recent horses in her lines have information written in German on allbreedpedigree.com and I definitely can't read that haha.

If I did breed her, it would probably be a max of 3 times but only if the other 2 worked out ideally and if it wasn't too stressful for her. Right now I'm just focusing on having a riding partner and not breeding her :) she's just so amazing - I adore her personality.
And thanks, desert horsewoman! :)
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If you need help with the German, let me know! I can help you with that. Plus, I know quite a few of her ancestors 3 rd generation and back personally.
First question: why a jumper foal? She's got dressage written all over her pedigree......see what I mean
For getting her approved for Hannover, check the registry website. Rules should be there.
I also wouldn't wait too long with breeding her for the first time, it gets riskier the older the mare is.
AI or live cover depends on if you have a matching stallion close by, or have to ship in, of course.
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I would not wait too long to breed a mare for the first time. It will be easier if she has a foal or two at a younger age if she is bred in her mid to late teens.
Live cover IMO is far more successful and cheaper. However if you want a certain stallion and he is not available then AI gives you more choices and better stallions.
Line breeding and inbreeding are great to set type and if you want to stamp the foal with certain positive traits. Outcrossing gives you hybrid vigor and you might end up with a very nice foal with the best of both worlds. Especially if you cross her with a TB. Most warmbloods are infused with TB blood to refine them and add speed and endurance.
Good luck and ask every question you have about breeding. You will get different answers to the same question but keep an open mind and learn. Shalom
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post #8 of 21 Old 07-16-2013, 01:32 AM
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that is good you want to be financially secure and informed. But you don't plan on breeding for 10 yrs .. and how old is this mare ? At that point in time you will probably be looking for a different mare for breeding , unless this mare is only like 2, and then 12 is old for a maiden mare.
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Oh, shoot! I didn't even take into consideration her age. I guess the oldest a mare should be for her first foal is 10? I board her right now and I'm in school so I couldn't breed her now.

I'm thinking that for at least one foal I would consider breeding to a suitable dressage stallion, but if I wanted to keep a foal then I might aim for a more agile jumper look - jumping is my favorite discipline - but I would have to see. If I bred her it would be only a few times, not many.

Are there magazines to read up on this type of information?

And what do you do when it comes time to selling a foal, especially if it's a colt. I'd be afraid of breeding the horses even if they weren't ideal. Do you specify what type of home you want him/her to go to? Or do you just stand by and let whoever has the best offer take it?
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Oh, shoot! I didn't even take into consideration her age. I guess the oldest a mare should be for her first foal is 10? I board her right now and I'm in school so I couldn't breed her now.

I'm thinking that for at least one foal I would consider breeding to a suitable dressage stallion, but if I wanted to keep a foal then I might aim for a more agile jumper look - jumping is my favorite discipline - but I would have to see. If I bred her it would be only a few times, not many.

Are there magazines to read up on this type of information?

And what do you do when it comes time to selling a foal, especially if it's a colt. I'd be afraid of breeding the horses even if they weren't ideal. Do you specify what type of home you want him/her to go to? Or do you just stand by and let whoever has the best offer take it?
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You PRAY like heck ANYBODY wants it!!

Breeding is an art, as much as a science, and some people just have feelings that crosses will work, because chromosomes don't give a HOOT what is on the paper. They pop up at the most inopportune times.....where did THAT head come from???? NOBODY has legs like THAT!!!

I have a gelding, 16.3, wears an 87" blanket, does not fit in a standard size trailer. He is out of a Poco Bueno QH mare, 15 h, and a 15 h Paint stallion. He has ONE cross to Three Bars, (TB) 4 generations back.

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