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        10-24-2012, 12:20 AM
      #11
    Green Broke
    I'm leaning toward barrel racing or reining/cutting, however the Appy racing market is so shut off and secluded, I'm leaning more towards reining, plus I'd much rather deal with a reining stud then a speed demon stud, and there are so many disciplens that can go hand in hand with reining/cutting. (That was a long run on sentence hahaha)
    My college offers a AI course, wasn't sure if I wanted to go through with it since it was for cows...and ooh do I hate cows. Hahah XD how do you find these breeding seminars?

    If I go to OSU, I want to go through one of their summer internships with one of the big ranches like 6666 or Lazy E, I think that would really help me a lot!:)
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        10-24-2012, 12:50 AM
      #12
    Started
    You basically google the "year breeding seminars" something like that. Just fill in the year. OSU isn't completely cow, but their ranch is very nice. :) I believe they accept horses donated for the summer and you break them or you take your own? You'll have to contact them. :) MN State offers that too. I've thought about it but I just couldn't leave my mother to tend to the breeding and foaling by herself with a full time job. OHH! Now that I think about. Gumz Farm would be really great for internship. You have to live there for a few months but they pay you. You participate in breeding and foaling. :) If everything for works out for me all next year I will take my boy there and try for internship so I can be there for him. :)

    I'm a big fan of reining. :) I'm not familiar with Appy bloodlines though.
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        10-24-2012, 05:53 AM
      #13
    Green Broke
    Realistically, I think it is better to start with a good mare rather than a stallion. Buy the best possible mare you can, and build from there - retaining foals if they are good enough, expanding your band over time with other really quality mares. Stallion owning is very arduous - campaigning, advertising, covering mares etc. As well as that, most bloodlines are readily available, using AI really opened the world up for breeders.

    ETA: This is my planned model. If I did retain a stallion at any point, it would be a colt I had bred myself. Not only would he add value to my breeding program, but he would add exposure to the quality of horses I breed too. It is my very firm opinion that mares make a quality breeding operation, not a stallion.
         
        10-24-2012, 12:59 PM
      #14
    Green Broke
    Hmmm...that's a great point Chiila! thanks!! I really like that, but then you only have a 50/50 chance of getting a colt out of her, ya know?

    I'd certainly want to keep color in my breeding program, I'd really like to have some homozygous mares and preferably stud. I'd like to put more spots in the show pen, when I ask people about Appaloosas they never have good things to say, I'd really like to help improve their image and popularity..
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        10-24-2012, 01:39 PM
      #15
    Started
    Yes very true and I think its better to go that route until you get some real experience breeding a stallion. I would start out with either a proven or very young mare, but.....my thoughts really to start out with a proven mare honestly. Get the best exposure.
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        11-01-2012, 10:13 PM
      #16
    Foal
    That better be a superior stud! Most of the major stallions are superiorly bred and trained by the best of the best. And if the economy gets worse than it already is nobody will want to be breeding. (not to be a downer)

    ^Personal Experience
         
        11-01-2012, 10:36 PM
      #17
    Foal
    • Obviously he has to do something great, but do you wait to bring him into the show world until he is fully mature, or do you futurity him a lot as a youngster? Depending how long you want the horse to last. A lot of the reiners that I've ever met have either started when mature and go on forever. Others in the Reining world are shown so hard at the futurity, then the derbies, (that while some show into their senior years-which is good care, training, and handling) and aging is more likely to come quicker.
    • You gotta get your name out there somehow. Where do you start off? Shows, or progeny records? Shows, bloodlines, conformation, facility, and training all contribute to how many people will want to breed their mare to your stud. I mean, you wouldn't want to breed your -can't live without mare- to a stud that has absolutely no name on him and was trained in someone's backyard, would you?
    • He's probably going to need a pedigree to back him up (yes there are plenty of horses with bland records that have done great things, but people are going to look for names). In the performance world, bloodlines seem to be everything. Better lines, better chance of an outstanding performer and athlete.
    • How much does your brood mare herd matter? Obviously if people want horses bred by you, your probably going to want to be producing nice babies. But do you look for mares that are similar in breeding lines and conformation, or do you mix it up? What about their performance record? I really wouldn't want broodmares that haven't really gotten out there and done stuff, but is it important to you? Or how well their babies have done if they have not ever shown? "Its takes two to tango" same as when making a foal. Mares are just as important as stallions. You want the stallion to help on the mares weak points and vice versa. If your mare had a head that totally did not fit her body, you'd want a gorgeous head on the stallion. IMO, mares need to prove themselves in order to be bred. These backyard breedings where they just breed there horse because their horse has such a good personality won't cut it. There has to be some sort of ability there. If you looked at two stallions-one that had numerous world champions bred by him and another that's offspring haven't even been thought about, who would you choose?
    • What about outcrossing? I'm particularly interested in barrel racing and performance appaloosas, but quite frankly there are so few to pick from, and if you want to do good, you want to be able to compete with the big guys, which is dominated by QH's. Is it frowned upon to bring TB or QH lines in? Its kind of like all these APHA/AQHA mixes in the reining world(which I've seen numerous times) they can be great horses believe me. But a lot of the AQHA judges I've talked to have said its just a fad. One breed, breeding is how you keep the lines pure.
    • Some breeders breed their mares right when they go into foal heat. Would it be bad to go in rotation? Like some mares breed one year, get a year off then breed the next. The year they aren't having foals, the other set is. It depends. Do you want many foals to be training or only a few? I personally like your idea, one year and year off. Its not as grueling as every year.
    • Also, should you stick to one major bloodline? I see lots of QH Ranches that are strick on Blue Valentine or Paco Beuno lines and what not. Is that a wise decision? Every line has their pros and cons. If you wanted to have Gunner babies you have the risk of deaf foals(which people say they are incredible horses) but its still a genetic disease. If you thought all Topsail Whiz's were just amazing performers you could stick with them(and a seperate stallion lineage-not the mare and stud being related)
    • At one time do you decide to maybe purchase a second stud, or keep a homebred baby to become your next? Also, how important is it to show your own babies? Depending on if you have the facility for another stud. I would personally choose a completely different breed line. I'm sorry I'm big on that, I feel like its incest. Lol. Showing your own babies insures that you choose how they are bred, raised, and trained.
    • How important is it to have a stud trained to a dummy? To prevent injury to the mare whenever covering. And if you want insemination.

    • Taking to consignment sales. Yes, no? Its your decision
    I hope I helped!
         
        11-02-2012, 10:22 AM
      #18
    Green Broke
    Hey thanks a lot!! really informative.
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        11-03-2012, 11:27 AM
      #19
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by MyLittlePonies    
    That is a preference. If you have money for a young stallion to show, and train then go for it. Otherwise, buy a proven stallion with foals either on the way or on the ground showing. It'll probably be more expensive but as long as that stallion has made his keep you should be fine. Here is some examples to give you an idea of what I'm talking about

    I purchased my stallion with champion bloodlines, excellent foals, and a mini show record. Well, I have to get him back into the show pen next year because I know he can do it and he needs a real record. Here are expected fees for me.

    Training: 7500-8400 for one year @ 750/month
    Feed cost: 200/month(slightly over estimated)
    Shows: 4-8,000 (circuit, futurity, state, open, world, and congress shows)

    Advertisements are anywhere from 250 to 1800/month depending on where and how long you advertise. That is either direction young or old.
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    It would cost way more than your expected fees. Way more! Have you actually shown before? I think you have unrealistic expectations on what it can cost and how much it would cost to qualify a horse for the World Show.
         
        11-03-2012, 01:18 PM
      #20
    Green Broke
    Well then, how much is it?
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