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    12-13-2011, 11:21 AM
  #1
Trained
How important are bloodlines to you?

My husband and I have been in Ft. Worth for the last few days at the NCHA Futurity. We have been thinking about buying a few younger horses to take back to Nevada with us this spring to use on the ranch. We went to the sale and looked at some long yearlings to buy. Mind you at this sale you can spend as little or as much as you like. You can spend $1000 or a half a million dollars.(We are not in the $500,000 range LOL). Looking at long yearlings, you have the papers, his conformation and attitude as they walk through the ring to base your decision on, for the most part.

Bloodlines usually are a good indicator, but not always, for his abilities, age of maturity and so on. Basically any trait that is inherited. But I have this one instance stuck in my head.....
I was working for a trainer and there were two colts one year apart out of the same dam, by the same stud, raised on the same place, started by the same person and trained by the same trainer.
You never would of known these two colts were full blooded, or even related for that matter, without looking at the papers! Completely different horses!!! One horse went to the Snaffle Bit Futurity in Reno and the other ended up as a life as a barrel horse.

I have seen other cases like this, but this one sticks to mind because you can't say it was a difference in enviroment.

Also a few of us had a discussion about King Fritz bred horses. A guy said he has rode a bunch, wouldn't give a pinch of coon sh*t for one because they won't watch a cow. I have ridden a few,not a lot, but they were handy for sorting the pens and shipping if you can get by them on the ground.

So my question to you all is,
What do you think about bloodlines and papers. I know that papers sell but if you were choosing a horse solely on personal use, not for resale, would papers be that important to you?
     
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    12-13-2011, 11:56 AM
  #2
Green Broke
About the only use I see is weeding out potential genetic defects. Not alot of controls in the registration process and they seem to be pretty easy to forge. Or to stick one set of papers with another horse. It isnt like horses have VIN numbers. Like you have observed a vet check and conformation study will pay off more than bloodline. Just look at your brothers and sisters. Same environment, same parents, completely different.
     
    12-13-2011, 12:07 PM
  #3
Trained
Papers improve your odds. If you know about the bloodlines, you have an INDICATOR of what might happen. It is like looking at the horse jog around - you get an idea, but there is no guarantee. It is one source of information.

My Border Collie shows no interest in herding. His full sister competed, if unsuccessfully, in the Nationals.

If I buy the offspring of two good parents, I improve my odds of getting a good horse when compared to buying in the blind. However, the last two horses we got came from friends who had owned them long enough to be able to tell us what to expect. That is even better, IF you have honest & knowledgeable friends - and if you are not doing something that requires papers.
     
    12-13-2011, 12:13 PM
  #4
Green Broke
Papers are pretty important to me...All three of my horses are registered with nice bloodlines. As Joe said, you can look out for genetic defects and possible problems. Knowing your horse's bloodlines can be a better way to tell if they are going to be good at something - I'm not saying that is the case with every registered horse. Just because my horse Nikki is bred for reining she isn't the best at it, but she is an awesome barrel racer.
     
    12-13-2011, 12:22 PM
  #5
Yearling
I was down at Ft. Worth as well this year. Watched Craig Thompson on OH MISS CAROLINE take home a nice score of 226. J If you take a look at the horses in the Open, High Brow Cat was on almost all of those horses papers somewhere! I might be wrong but I remember the announcer saying something like HBC’s offspring earnings is around 50 million right now. AMAZING! Probably why we have 5 HBC’s in our barn right now J

Im a big bloodlines person. If I was looking at two colts and one was out of Sophisticated Cat or Metallic cat who both my fav HBC studs and compare them to a Mud Slingin Cat colt I would pick one from Sophisticated or Metallic. Theres just to much of a chance that the colt from Mud Slingin Cat will come out with a scrambled together front end like his daddy.

As far as attitude goes every horse is different. We have 2 WR This Cats Smart 4 year olds that I ride regularly. One of them is very willing and easy. He WANTS that cow! The other is very laid back and takes a little extra from his rider to put him somewhere.

If your looking for just a horse for ranch work at home then it all depends on what you want to spend. If you have the ability to buy a nice, well bred horse...I would! Theres just to many really nice horses in this world to mess around with the ones that aren’t...thats just my opinion.
     
    12-13-2011, 12:26 PM
  #6
Trained
For your purpose, bloodlines are not what I look at first. First, I look at conformation, attitude, and a good eye about them. I've found at yearling sales like that, a good eye for horseflesh is what you need most.

If the colt passes the "Eye test" per say, I look deeper. Health reports first...Knowing if they have a history of anything, where they come from, etc.

THEN I look at the bloodlines. I look at what the other horses have produced, what their records are, any health issues they have produced and/or had, etc.

Overall, they aren't a total deal breaker. I'll take the conformationally correct colt with a good attitude over the horse with the best bloodlines.
     
    12-13-2011, 12:27 PM
  #7
Showing
For me it's pretty important. Knowing where they came from gives a good indicator of where their talents and abilities will lie. As an example, one wouldn't pick a "These Irons Are Hot" foal instead of a "Paddys Irish Whiskey" for a cutting prospect or vice versa for a hunter prospect.

In the end it is all really a crapshoot, but knowing bloodlines & how they cross increases the odds of getting what you want exponentially.
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    12-13-2011, 02:49 PM
  #8
Showing
For my own personal horses, bloodlines are not that huge of a deal to me. For what I do, which is mostly trails/ranch type work (not a whole lot of sorting/cutting ability needed, they just need to be willing to track for roping and have a hint of speed so I don't get outrun). For that, pretty much any horse can be trained well enough to get the job done. If I did a lot of sorting where I needed a horse to really watch a cow, you betcha bloodlines would be important. Of course, you know, that any horse can be trained to watch a cow and do a decent job of it, but no amount of training can replace the natural savvy of one bred for it.

But then again, most the horses I have now were either free or bought for very little money (<$200) LOL. If I was going to spend $1000 or more on one, I would want the bloodlines/papers too, especially since you can get them in this market. Of course though, the bloodlines are only a part. I would also be looking at confo and temperament but you can only tell so much from them being led around the sale ring.

BTW, waiting on brother to call that guy about the sale. If you are limited on time, let me know and I'll light a fire.
     
    12-13-2011, 02:55 PM
  #9
Trained
For me the pedigree is at the top of the list. I know what lines I like and what lines I do not like. If the lines of the horse are not what I am looking for I will keep looking. Although you will find horses who defies the rule the fact is that the rule normally will win out that is why it is the rule. Also when you see such variations in personality and such take a good look at the pedigree you will see why a lot of the time.

Now if you are looking at geldings then that might change a bit. However since these are long yearlings the pedigree is going to give you a lot of info on the horse you are looking at. Take a good look watch them move and see if you can put some hands on before you big.
     
    12-13-2011, 07:58 PM
  #10
Trained
Interesting...

I was just curious about your guys opinions.

I agree totally agree about bloodlines being an indicator. I have started piles of colts over the years for trainers and sometimes I could tell you how a colt was bred by how it was to start him and his "look" without looking at his papers. But like I said before, I have had some occasions of "the exception to the rule". And my husband owns a little mare who doesn't have the best papers but is an awesome horse. So I have been thinking about it a lot lately...
     

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