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    12-14-2011, 03:43 AM
Yes, basically.
I would never buy a horse from the Pilot lines because they tend to be hot headed and difficult, or SJ lines like Cassini, because I am not a jumper.
Horses from lines that generally have a nice temperament are well sort for, like Rubenstein. Horses from Donnerhall lines are in high demand for their movement, size and temperament. Fishermen's Friend, as Kayty has said, is a very trainable temperament.

Not to say that I would disregard anything, and I don't go out saying I am looking for this line, but if I see a line in there that is problematic, I won't touch it. I'm not a good enough rider. If the lines have good, well mannered horses, I'm more likely to pick it.

And if I'm buying a mare, which I did, it better have **** good lines... stereotyping, I know, and not had a problem with mine but with some- the mood swings!
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    12-14-2011, 10:45 AM
Originally Posted by smrobs    
BTW, waiting on brother to call that guy about the sale. If you are limited on time, let me know and I'll light a fire.
No big hurry, when ever he gets around to it! Thanks!
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    12-14-2011, 11:02 AM
Originally Posted by NicoleS11    
I was down at Ft. Worth as well this year. Watched Craig Thompson on OH MISS CAROLINE take home a nice score of 226. J If you take a look at the horses in the Open, High Brow Cat was on almost all of those horses papers somewhere! I might be wrong but I remember the announcer saying something like HBC’s offspring earnings is around 50 million right now. AMAZING! Probably why we have 5 HBC’s in our barn right now J
We have 3 fillies out of a 3/4 brother to HBC!
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    12-14-2011, 12:05 PM
What are "long yearlings" ?

And how does everyone know or keep up with which bloodlines are good or whatnot? (I am very much a beginner at this..)
    12-14-2011, 12:14 PM
Pedigree and conformation are at the top of my list. Usually they go hand in hand. I don't breed.the "modern" Arabian halter types because often they are bred for halter and that's (loosely) it. I find the older bloodlines still have a lot of substance that hasn't been bred out for pretty, and lot's of them were back then, national or international champions. They just wouldn't be today.
As someone else said, genetic diseases. The farm where I bought my stallion from imported semen from Poland and bred a mare. A few months later CA came out in Arabians. The sire in Poland was tested and came back CA positive. They tested their mare bred to him. She came back CA positive. A foal of two CA parents have a 75% chance of being CA positive and won't live. Odds were on their sides, he came out at a 25% chance of being CA N/N but it just as easily could have went the other way.
So, breeding purposes absolutely. If I was just looking for a riding prospect that I had no plans to show, you can usually find what you're looking for based on conformation. I'd just buy mature, though.
    12-14-2011, 12:45 PM
Originally Posted by Skyseternalangel    
What are "long yearlings" ?

A long yearlings is a horse in the end of their yearling year. All horses well stock horses and TB are dated by Jan 1st regardless of when they actually foaled. A horse foaled in Jan will be in the same age class as a foal who was born in Dec. Come Jan 1st they are both considered Yearlings.

And how does everyone know or keep up with which bloodlines are good or whatnot? (I am very much a beginner at this..)

When you are a breeder or even if you just like to show in a certain discipline you see what is out there showing what wins and how they are bred and you keep track of that information. Also there are associations for most of the disciplines which if you show in that discipline you are a member and they keep track of the info and have publications you get with the info in it. It is like going to school all the time.
    12-14-2011, 01:03 PM
Okay thank you! That makes sense.. someone once told me most race horses have the same birthday as January 1st on their records.

Hopefully I'll be better informed later on in life :p
    12-14-2011, 01:11 PM
Their papers will have the actual date of birth but they are aged by Jan 1st regardless of their actual date they foaled. This is why as a breeder you want them foaled as close to that date as possible.
    12-14-2011, 01:19 PM
Originally Posted by Skyseternalangel    

And how does everyone know or keep up with which bloodlines are good or whatnot? (I am very much a beginner at this..)
Wish there were an easier way, but it takes years and years of experience, observation, and constant research. The hard part is not so much identifying good bloodlines as it is studying how different bloodlines cross with one another. Probably the biggest mistakes novices make are only paying attention to the stallion lines, when it is the mare lines that are more important, not giving enough attention to the interaction of bloodlines, and placing too much importance on horses so far back in the pedigree they are almost meaningless. I have seen people refer to their horse as being "King bred" when King only appeared once in the pedigree in the 4th or 5th silly...
    12-15-2011, 01:33 AM
NRHA said it right, homework ALLLLLLLL the time! =D

Bloodlines are UBER important to me, goes hand in hand with conformation.

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