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    02-09-2010, 01:44 PM
  #1
Yearling
Question How is this possible? Arabian pedigree question.

I was looking through Mana's sire's pedigree and found that one of his reletives from pretty far back should actually be listed as a half arabian, not full arabian because she is half Trakehner! Is this normal? How did this happen? Someone please explain it to this silly little blonde!

Here is the one that should be half, and all subsequent horses are listed as purebred arabian as well.

Jaskolka Arabian
     
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    02-09-2010, 01:55 PM
  #2
Trained
Well the link won't open for me, but I'm assuming it was a long time ago that this happened.

When they first started "Creating" breeds they allowed approved horses to have a full blooded offspring.
     
    02-09-2010, 02:21 PM
  #3
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Originally Posted by FehrGroundRanch    
Well the link won't open for me, but I'm assuming it was a long time ago that this happened.

When they first started "Creating" breeds they allowed approved horses to have a full blooded offspring.
Not correct when it comes to Arabians. The AHA doesn't allow a horse to be classified as a purebred if there's even a drop of 'other' blood in the animal. That rule was started about 2,000 years ago, when the Bedouins first started breeding their desert war horses.

Since AllBreed isn't a sanctioned pedigree site and anyone can edit anything, if you have any questions about your mare's bloodlines take it up with the AHA.

There's no way a foal born by a mating between a registered Trakehner and a registered purebred Arabian would have been allowed in the AHA as anything except a Half Arabian. That would mean your mare is not a purebred.

My guess is there's an Arabian with the same name as the Trakehner, and whoever put the pedigree together on AllBreed made a mistake. AllBreed is like Wikipedia; any old idjit can throw something up.

As I mentioned, contact the AHA. They'll be able to let you know your mare's true pedigree. You do have her registration papers indicating she's a purebred, right?
     
    02-09-2010, 02:34 PM
  #4
Yearling
That's what I thought too. It actually isn't my mare whos pedigree I'm worried about. I know that she is 15/16 arabian. This is for the sire of my colt, who is supposed to be purebred. I think you are right in that someone just put in the wrong name, but I wanted to get some opinions on it since it was wierd. When I go to see about getting my colt registered I'll probably ask about it. Thanks!
     
    02-09-2010, 02:38 PM
  #5
Banned
Just as I thought, AllBreed is incorrect.

Just looked up Jaskolka, also spelled Yaskoulka (her name means swallow in Polish, as in the bird). She was of established Polish bloodlines out of the Polish Stud.

One of her more famous sons (by Imbrahim) was Skowronek, who was a lynchpin of the modern Arabian breed. Skowronek means skylark in Polish.

There's no question that Skowronek was a purebred, and the Polish Stud kept meticulous records, so it's not possible a mare born at that stud would have been anything except a purebred Arabian.

If your mare is 15/16ths Arabian and the stallion you mated her to is a purebred, the AHA won't register your colt as anything but half Arabian because he still has a smidgen of non-Arabian blood.

The AHA used to register all sorts of percentages, but now it's half or purebred. It got too crazy trying to keep track of the percents, so they simplified it. So unless they've somehow dropped the rule that a horse has to be from completely purebred parents to be registered as a purebred, your colt will be registered as a half Arabian.
     
    02-09-2010, 02:49 PM
  #6
Yearling
Oh, I know that he will be registered as half arabian, this really wasn't about that. I just came upon that little indiscrepancy while looking around one day and thought it was odd. What would we need to do to get it changed on there? It really isn't a big problem or anything, it's only allbreed, but it would be nice to have it correct.
     
    02-09-2010, 06:16 PM
  #7
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You can change it yourself.
     

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