How stupid can we be?

       The Horse Forum > Horse Breeds, Breeding, and Genetics > Horse Breeding

How stupid can we be?

This is a discussion on How stupid can we be? within the Horse Breeding forums, part of the Horse Breeds, Breeding, and Genetics category

LinkBack Thread Tools
    04-11-2011, 10:15 AM
Angry How stupid can we be?

Daughter and her hubby "rescued" a mare and gelding from her hubby's cousin during the Christmas holidays. Mare was okay-ish weight wise, but the gelding was a sack of bones. It hurt to pet him he was so skinny. Mare was supposedly eleven years old and the gelding was supposedly 16-17 years old - both were supposed to be kid broke. The cousin said the gelding had a tendon injury about a year ago from getting his foot caught in a stirrup (?) but that his kids had been riding him around and he was no longer limping.

Well, we knew something wasn't right when we picked them up. They neither one looked as old as they supposedly were. Got them home and started feeding them. They both really started putting on weight. Farrier came out to trim their hooves (they had elf shoes!!!!). Good thing the farrier is great with unhandled horses, because truth be told, they were both barely lead broke - let alone kid broke.

Mare turns out to be about 4 years old. The gelding - barely two. So if the cousins kids had been riding him around for the last year - they were riding a BABY - an injured one at that. He probably couldn't buck if he had to!

Poor guy - his rear leg swelled up after his trim. We cold hosed it and watched it - he already had clicky hocks, but I coudn't imagine anything major going on. Guess the trim kind of irritated the tendon - because after a couple of days (no lameness, just the swelling) the swelling went down, and his leg actually looked normal for the first time since we'd had him.

The mare is currently at the trainer's being saddle broke. The gelding is still too young as far as I'm concerned. However, Saturday, we heard a lot of commotion in the horse lot. We go out there figuring that since Misty, daughter's Paso Fino mare, is in heat, she and Scooter (who was recently gelded, but it hasn't been long enough for him to settle down yet) are flirting across the fence.


America, the little palomino rescue, is mounting Misty! Okay - he's a gelding and she's a hussy - maybe that's what's going on. We pulled America out of the lot because something suddenly didn't look right.


He's not gelded.

He has one testicle down. Can't find the other one. Daughter calls the previous owner who swears up and down that America was gelded at six months old. Yeah, right - the one you told us was 16-17 years old? And kid broke? And we are supposed to believe you? Uh huh

Well. America is confined to the round pen with Rain. She's too young yet to come into heat. We've been having problems with her nursing through the bars when Dancer was in the round pen. Even blocked off the gaps in the bars so she couldn't reach through, but she knocked a hole and was still sticking her head through. So. Rain and America are in the round pen for the next couple of days. Dancer, Misty and Junior (recently gelded as well, but never been interested anyway) are in the back pasture. Rain can't reach momma to nurse now - the round pen is in the lot, and there's a good 60 feet to the fence between the lot and the pasture. Dancer took off to the back as soon as we opened the gate, with Misty and Junior in tow. I didn't think she was ever going to stop running. Guess it will be good for her since she is still in serious need of muscle.

Rain has been calling a bit, but not as bad as I feared. Scooter is the one that's been pitching the biggest hissy fit - but even that is settling down. Once all is calm again - in a coupld of days - we'll move America out of the round pen and let him hang out in the lot and keep Rain company.

We're going to have to take America to the vet once daughter gets the rest of the bill for gelding Scooter and Junior paid. We need to know what we are dealing with - is he a crypto (and the cousin was lying through his teeth) or was he indeed "gelded," but only one testicle was down at the time, so now the second one has dropped? (Sloppy work, but it's happened before)

Sorry for the novel - but I'm really ticked - we'd have taken those two horses anyway - there was no need to lie to us. We were not about to leave them in a place that was knowingly starving them to death! What we would have done, was segregate America from the mares - probably put him in with Junior - they get along pretty well anyway. But now we also are going to have to take Misty to the vet for a "day after" shot!
Sponsored Links
    04-11-2011, 10:34 AM
Oh no! I'd be ticked too!

Sounds like you've been through a load of bother that could have easily been avoided by some idiotic people just telling the truth. I hate people that lie about stuff that could put people or horses in danger. I've been thrown from horses sellers say are 'bombproof and vice free', and also had "really experienced" riders show up to veiw my difficult gelding, and not even know how to tack up! It's so silly when you would have taken them anyway. A dealer told me his mare was 8 or 9, I could see from her teeth and muzzle she was at least twenty but I took her anyway!

Anyway, don't blame yourself for anything here! The issue is their lies not you being stupid. If the rescue was not showing a testicle when you looked him over I think VERY few people would imagine one would pop out later! I certainly would have made the same mistake.

I'm glad you seem to be back on top of the situation having him and Rain separated from the others, and good luck with the mare. The important thing here is to move ahead and not waste time and energy looking back with regrets and thinking what you could have done differently. I am sure you are a respoinsible and would never compromise the care of your animals.

Please keep up updated, particularly with the deal on the rescue...I'd be pretty interested if he was a crypto, I find that sort of stuff really interesting.

Good luck!

    04-11-2011, 10:48 AM
Holy cow! You've been through a rough patch! Never trust a person who starves their horses. When I rescued my Brian from the crazy lady that was feeding half a small square bale a day to four horses, she said he was a ten year old appy. She also said she didn't want the horse to go to a bad home. Animal control was going to take the horses from her, and she was worried about them going to a bad home. I have no doubt Brian would have been dead if left with her one more month (he was 400 lbs underweight body score of 2) and she could not shut up about how much she loved her horses and how she didn't want them to end up in a bad place. Brian ended up being only 7 according to the vet, with nothing wrong with him other than lack of food, deworming, and foot trimming.

Good luck with your newbies they are in good hands!
    04-11-2011, 11:00 AM
Oh I feel for you. I was beyond ticked when a "friend" brought 3 of his yearlings out to our place saying there was no worry to take my mare out. I assumed that meant they were gelded as I knew he had recently had several of his colts gelded. Turn them out with my poor 24 year old mare and they all start trying to mount her.
Yeah. No worry was that the last time he had checked none of them had dropped. Huge lie when I finally got to check them.

Put me in huge danger as he just left me to deal with getting my mare out of a group of 3 horny, badly trained colts. I didn't care that odds were she couldn't get pregnant from her age and their age, my mare was having a peaceful retirement and said "friend" could shove it. He caused more pain to my horses by negligence than anything else.

I would like to give you huge kudos for getting that shot for your mare! Too many people shrug it off and get excited for a foal. But if I remember right, Rain was an oops wasn't she?
    04-11-2011, 11:07 AM
How old is Rain? Personally I wouldn't keep her penned with him. Not unless you want an early pregnancy... (it can and does happen all the time)

Sucks that you were lied to, but it doesn't really surprise me. So is the mare that was "rescued" at the same time pregnant? You might want to have her checked.
    04-11-2011, 11:31 AM
Rain is nine months old, but has never shown any signs of being in heat. America will be turned out of the round pen in the next day or so - as soon as we can be sure that Rain will stay relatively calm. She won't be alone even then, since Amerca will be in the lot and Scooter will be a few feet away so they can all keep each other company.

As far as we know, Nutmeg (the mare) isn't pregnant. This is the first time we've ever seen any interest in a mare from America, and since the lot is right next to the house, we would have noticed - like we did this time. If Nutmeg is somehow pregnant - it's too late to do anything about it, because she's already been at the trainer's for almost a month. And if she's pregnant, daughter and I are going to be more than a little ticked - more than we are now. (We got lucky with Dancer - but she's foaled before - I'm under no illusions about my lack of experience with breeding horses - give me cattle any day!)
    04-11-2011, 11:38 AM
I would still be getting her checked. It would either let you know if she is pregnant or not and if she is, it would allow you to have an idea just how far along she is and when about to expect a foal.

On the Rain thing (this is just personal preference alright?) I wouldn't be keeping her by America. There is no way to know for sure that he wouldn't mount her unless you are watching them 24 hours a day. Fillys can and do get pregnant as you as 6 months. Not saying that it would happen with yours, but I personally wouldn't want to take the chance.

All of the above is just my opinion and things that I would do in your situation.
    04-11-2011, 12:41 PM
Can't you put your other gelding in with America? I'm with NdAppy. I wouldn't keep a nine month old filly in with a stallion. Fillies that young can cycle and what's more, they can cycle silently. You would never know she was in heat.

Good luck with your whole situation! Depending on if/when Nutmeg was bred by America, you can still have her foal aborted at 1 month. Even sometime after that. I would definitely get her ultrasounded by your vet and he can tell you if it's safe for the mare at whatever stage she is in to abort.
    04-11-2011, 01:52 PM
Originally Posted by NdAppy    
I would still be getting her checked. It would either let you know if she is pregnant or not and if she is, it would allow you to have an idea just how far along she is and when about to expect a foal.

On the Rain thing (this is just personal preference alright?) I wouldn't be keeping her by America. There is no way to know for sure that he wouldn't mount her unless you are watching them 24 hours a day. Fillys can and do get pregnant as you as 6 months. Not saying that it would happen with yours, but I personally wouldn't want to take the chance.

All of the above is just my opinion and things that I would do in your situation.
I agree.
    04-11-2011, 02:57 PM
Even at 9 mo to a year without being in heat, mares / fillys CAN get pregnant. It's rare but it happens. Just be careful.

And wow what a mess of a situation - i'd be stark raving mad if I were you! I can't believe those people could and STILL lie about the horses to you!!!!! Thank goodness you are getting them all taken care of!

Quick Reply
Please help keep the Horse Forum enjoyable by reporting rude posts.

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the The Horse Forum forums, you must first register.

Already have a Horse Forum account?
Members are allowed only one account per person at the Horse Forum, so if you've made an account here in the past you'll need to continue using that account. Please do not create a new account or you may lose access to the Horse Forum. If you need help recovering your existing account, please Contact Us. We'll be glad to help!

New to the Horse Forum?
Please choose a username you will be satisfied with using for the duration of your membership at the Horse Forum. We do not change members' usernames upon request because that would make it difficult for everyone to keep track of who is who on the forum. For that reason, please do not incorporate your horse's name into your username so that you are not stuck with a username related to a horse you may no longer have some day, or use any other username you may no longer identify with or care for in the future.

User Name:
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:


Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.

Old Thread Warning
This thread is more than 90 days old. When a thread is this old, it is often better to start a new thread rather than post to it. However, If you feel you have something of value to add to this particular thread, you can do so by checking the box below before submitting your post.

Thread Tools

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
I can't believe I was so stupid then. Katesrider011 General Off Topic Discussion 16 03-14-2011 08:38 AM
Stupid Stupid Stupid! (graphic) ShutUpJoe Horse Talk 17 01-26-2011 01:04 PM
...Stupid Morning, Stupid Cows, Stupid Stupid... BluMagic Horse Health 9 01-07-2008 01:44 PM

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:32 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0