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post #21 of 26 Old 06-06-2010, 01:28 PM
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lilkitty - all pictures you posted are just a variation of dun. The first one you posted is not palomino - he is the typical primitive pale coloring you see on Przewalski's horses, and the white coloring in the mane can be typical, much like how you can see buckskins or duns with white in the mane.

Genetics simply aren't the same for primitive strains of the horse family. I can guarantee you he wouldn't test positive for palomino, or at least, not in the way we see it in horses. This is the reason zorses and mules and zedonks are hybrids (also ligers). When crossing into seperate families, the rules change, and nothing "applies" anymore. You're mixing two completely different sets of genetics.

Remember that dun in our horses as just a branch off of the primitive coloring you see on zebras and true wild horses - the dorsel stripe and zebra striping isn't just there for fun, it's because at one point this genetic expression of color survived down the lines into our modern day horses, showing how dominant it can be as a genetic expression. As you can see in the wild mixes, some shading will come through and look like bay or palomino, but that dun expression is so strong coming from a horse that only knows how to be striped that that's what you'll always get!

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post #22 of 26 Old 06-06-2010, 01:47 PM
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yeah it could have been just a very pale dun it wasn't close enough for me to get a really good look. as for the fjord cross it was gorgeous! i'd love it as a zorse! and yes! the pinto zorse's are stunning. kind of like the piebald ball pythons that you can get nowadays! lol

and wow i really didn't know that about all the primative genetics! i guess you do learn soemthing new everyday! = )


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I don't believe so - in animals such as donkeys, mules and zebras, the primitive genes seem to take over. This is blatantly true in donkeys and zebras who do not deviate from a certain type of color/pattern, and mostly true in mules that usually come out with the same blandish normal solid color as donkeys.

I've seen several zorse's and I've ONLY ever seen dunnish with stripes - just the primitive color. I HAVE seen pinto zorse's, but again, the colored patches are just the primitive dun color with stripes.
My mule didn't come out in the usually blandish normal solid color as donkeys (and actually I'd say most mules are brown duns, where most donkeys are gray duns, so not exactly the same),

Most zorse's I have seen are striped like a zebra, and I don't know that I would call that dun, not sure it's the same as dun in horses. Most I've seen appear to be bay, but w/ zebra stripes. I would say all zorses I've seen have the stripes, but I have pics of one that looks like a regular dun (fjord colored), no zebra stripes.

It is a crap shoot when you mix things like this. But I would love to have a horse w/ zebra stripes! I really love the colors of some zorses. And I like how the stripes continue in the pinto's mane.
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^

Being a color freak, I'd absolutely LOVE to see someone do more research about the color profiles on hybrids. Realistically, you're right, it's absolutely impossible to say and they very probably wouldn't even test positive for normal dun as it's probably a completely different genetic makeup regardless of how similair a color may be to horse color.

I just see dun in general as being a primitive color - it's the variation of color type you see on donkeys, as well as horses like the Przewalski's. Not exactly as on a horse, but the closest you're probably going to get with the zebra barring and dorsel stripe.

Very fascinating either way!

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post #25 of 26 Old 06-07-2010, 03:03 PM
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i'd also like to point out there is that color of donkeys that is spotted that they breed with horses. and thats probably how you get the more less primiative color.
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and then the colorful mules


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I offer a Zebra stallion at stud, for any of those who have a dream of owning a Zorse or Zonkey. Sometimes offer foals available. My zebra has great striping and conformation. And the prefect temperament for breeding hybrid croses, as he is super quiet. He is truly a rare boy, and currently the only Zebra collecting.. We Ship Cooled semen. For more breeding info you can email me at RarityAcres@aol.com
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