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post #21 of 28 Old 11-28-2010, 01:06 AM
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Just because you are the only one to supply a "positive" spin, Spyder, doesn't mean the OP isn't also looking for the "positive" things. From my understanding, she just wants to avoid the drama caused from calling out other posters on some such nonsense or other.

I have nothing else to add, so this will be my only post in this thread. I just felt that something needed to be said, as I only saw one post I felt to be truly negative, and it was not Spastic's.
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post #22 of 28 Old 11-28-2010, 09:41 AM
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Spyder- The post you copied has most of what you said in it.....stuff you are sick of hearing.

You- don't breed because you can buy a nice foal"

Copied post-see if the amount you will be spending is more or less than the realistic price you could expect to get for a weanling/pay for a weanling in your area

You-
your mare could get hurt giving birth and you risk losing her

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Also there is the potential of the death of either a mare, foal, or both-- not common, but possible

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o one should be breeding until the economy gets better"

Copied post-
I think the first half of the post is about the financial cost of breeding and the first part is about selling the foal and the economic reasons on why you should or shouldn't breed.

Is it that nobody is wording it the way that poster did?









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post #23 of 28 Old 11-28-2010, 10:29 AM
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I've been reading through some of these threads and notice that a few members are 100 percent against breeding. That's okay, but if you're going to come on here and yell at me for considering it, then you're not going to do anything but waste your breath (or perhaps bring yourself one step closer to carpel tunnel).
No truer words said and reflects what many people think and the reason why some people will never come here to post.

I can be thankful for one thing.

All the spam breeders pretty much avoid this forum like the plague
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post #24 of 28 Old 11-28-2010, 12:04 PM
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Well we seem to have disseminated into the argument the OP was hoping against. I just wanted to make a comment, mostly in response to Spyder. I agree that breeding is very important and should certainly not be something that people are unilaterally against. I work for a very prominent reproductive specialist, so of course I am not against breeding.

However I AM against your average breeder which, I'd have to say is what 90% of people posting on this forum are, no offense meant, but when you work with someone who knows what they're doing it is hard to take "my mare is just so CUTE" as a serious reason to breed. I think you are right that most breeders (real breeders, not one time deals) avoid this forum and rightly so, because most of them have plenty of experience or a qualified repro specialist to whom they can direct their queries. Maybe working with high end sport horse producers has jaded me, but hearing some of the questions people are asking, at the stage they are at (ie. The mare is already bred or the semen already ordered, etc. etc.) causes a lot of concern for many of the people posting on this forum. Too often people breed because "they just love this mare", instead of having made a calculated decision based on producing quality foals.
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post #25 of 28 Old 11-28-2010, 01:17 PM Thread Starter
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So far the only things you seem to want to accept for your "thread" are reasons to not breed. These are the ones you are saying " good ones" and while they are a part of breeding they only cover a side of breeding that is negativity based, so it you plan of putting up a thread with all these ideas please title it " Breeding..Reasons to not do it".

The post I copied from the other thread is what SHOULD be thought out before breeding.

This may have been started by you but you want the in and outs of breeding...well guess what, some people find great joy in it. The selection of stallion, the anxiously waiting. If you are lucky enough to be there then seeing your baby get born. All the time and effort you put into this comes down to that one precious moment.

There is no greater joy, and I was blessed with the whole package. Watching his efforts trying to get up on wobbly legs to taking his first suckle from mom and leaving the barn knowing that a precious new life entered the world today.
that's not only what I want. I just don't want 4 to 5 posts about you guys debating on it. In sted of trying to argue with people just post what you want to say about it then move on.

I'm not against breeding if you have read any of my posts you would have known that.
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post #26 of 28 Old 11-28-2010, 02:13 PM
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Well we seem to have disseminated into the argument the OP was hoping against. I just wanted to make a comment, mostly in response to Spyder. I agree that breeding is very important and should certainly not be something that people are unilaterally against. I work for a very prominent reproductive specialist, so of course I am not against breeding.

However I AM against your average breeder which, I'd have to say is what 90% of people posting on this forum are, no offense meant, but when you work with someone who knows what they're doing it is hard to take "my mare is just so CUTE" as a serious reason to breed. I think you are right that most breeders (real breeders, not one time deals) avoid this forum and rightly so, because most of them have plenty of experience or a qualified repro specialist to whom they can direct their queries. Maybe working with high end sport horse producers has jaded me, but hearing some of the questions people are asking, at the stage they are at (ie. The mare is already bred or the semen already ordered, etc. etc.) causes a lot of concern for many of the people posting on this forum. Too often people breed because "they just love this mare", instead of having made a calculated decision based on producing quality foals.

Oh I agree 100%.

I also know that just because you have had a lots of RIDING experience ( even to the point of being considered at an advanced stage) that you would not necessarily know much about breeding.

People need to know ALL sides. The expense involved, the time involved, what genetics work with others, the risk involved ( and the percentage that MOST babies are born without complications) what sort of registration available. The difference in breeding methods as well as what conformation faults can be inherited and which may be overcome with correct selection of mare to stallion.

THIS is what this thread should be about. This is information that a serious potential breeder needs and this is what is lacking in virtually every thread involving breeding.

And when I decided to get a mare to breed I had no knowledge of any of the above and had no resource other than to go to the breeders themselves. In the general sense you could say I was a backyard breeder with a mare that did absolutely nothing to prove her worth other than she was bred the way I wanted.
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Folks, please stay on track! As it was mentioned, this is informative thread and everyone is welcome to share own opinion (whether it's for or against the breading).

I have no problems with "home" breeding given the breeder did the homework (although I don't think I'll ever breed my girls even though they have nice lines). Unfortunately too often "home" breeders = BYBs. And in this case I feel sorry for the baby (and sometime mom as well). BTW it's true for some breeding facilities as well....
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post #28 of 28 Old 11-29-2010, 01:31 PM Thread Starter
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