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    05-27-2013, 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Sharpie    
Not to get too far off topic, but if the mares are conceiving well/easily with live cover and carrying the pregnancies to term in good health and without issue, why would the above be necessary? If they're coming up open when they shouldn't be, absolutely, but otherwise?
I guess I was a little confused. I thought he was having trouble getting his mare bred 4 years in a row. I think re-reading it over he hasn't done it yet and is planning on it?

Just things that have come up with our older mares who used to be bred every year. They get older, their bodies get older. Just this last year our 15 year old mare who had been producing fine her entire life had problems with her hormones. Last year she had to have a caslick... etc. But we don't have very good luck. XD
     
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    05-27-2013, 11:41 PM
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Weither or not she can stay in foal at her age will have certain factors play into it. How many foals has she had? How large were they? What kind of shape are her reproductive organs in?

Once a mare gets into the 10-12 foal range, she's going to have a lot more trouble staying pregnant. She won't have good uterine tone and the tendons and ligaments that hold the uterus up are going to be saggy. She'll probably have a sloppy cervix as well. So you have to start here. If she's in great reproductive health, it should be fairly straight forward.

What I would change in your management of her is first try to only breed her once in the heat cycle. You should know her pattern well enough to know how long she is in heat and typically when she ovulates. The reason for that is she probably is lacking uterine tone and she is less able to expel the extra fluid from the ejaculate. Multiple breedings (even every other day for 3 times in a cycle) is going to increase her chances of an infection or at the least present fluid in her reproductive tract that will decrease her conception rate. The other thing is get that foal off of her much sooner. No reason to keep it on her past 4-5 months. The foal will pull her down faster the older she gets. Nutritionally, the foal is getting nothing out of the mare beyond this point. You need her to start building back up her stores and development of the fetus. The sooner the suckling starts eating on it's own, the less demand it will put on the mare too.

My one professional broodmare I've owned had her 13th at 22. All Percherons so the toll on her body was much more severe than that of a light foal. As long as you're mare's in shape, she should be fine.
     
    05-28-2013, 01:19 AM
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Goldenhorse the comment about the uterus not being a clown car did not belong in an intelligent adult discussion.
I make no apologies for any comment I made.
I found her comments rude and dismissive so I replied in kind.
If warmbloods was offended she could have clarified her statement like a mature adult should. If she had I would have retracted mine. Since she has not I am more than certain my thoughts about her post were correct.
I am a very reasonable person. I think most of my post will verify that.

Back on topic. Dancer is in good condition in fact all three mares still look pregnant. Dancer has had 5 foals all by my stallion and 2-3 years apart.
Left hand I understand that a foal can be weaned earlier. I refuse to wean a foal under 6 months. In fact these 3 will be the youngest foals I have ever weaned . I usually wait until 8 months or later.
I am considering feeding her the Omolene 300 and Senior feed mixed together and after weaning the filly solely senior equine until her last trimester along with the alfalfa pellets. Shalom
Any thoughts on this?
     
    05-28-2013, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by dbarabians    
Goldenhorse the comment about the uterus not being a clown car did not belong in an intelligent adult discussion.
I make no apologies for any comment I made.
I found her comments rude and dismissive so I replied in kind.
If warmbloods was offended she could have clarified her statement like a mature adult should. If she had I would have retracted mine. Since she has not I am more than certain my thoughts about her post were correct.
I am a very reasonable person. I think most of my post will verify that.
Maybe if you owned a uterus you would think differently! I don't know if Warmbloods was offended, but I think you show your naivety by dismissing all of her statements as nonsense.

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I am a very reasonable person. I think most of my post will verify that.
On that we will have to differ.
     
    05-28-2013, 11:13 AM
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Moving back onto the original topic;

My BO has a 21 year old brood mare. She raced, competed in endurance and then was bred. She's had 4 foals, 2 consecutively, the others years apart. She has been bred back this year after 2 years open. She has a great vet that specializes in equine reproduction. His advice was to watch her condition, and to keep her in foal every year. If she starts loosing condition, or has problems reproductively, its time to call it quits. Other wise, as long as they're healthy your best bet the older they get is to keep them in foal.
     
    05-28-2013, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by dbarabians    
Left hand I understand that a foal can be weaned earlier. I refuse to wean a foal under 6 months. In fact these 3 will be the youngest foals I have ever weaned . I usually wait until 8 months or later.
I am considering feeding her the Omolene 300 and Senior feed mixed together and after weaning the filly solely senior equine until her last trimester along with the alfalfa pellets. Shalom
Any thoughts on this?

I prefer not to wean too young also. I separate the mare and foal at 6 months, for 1 month. I actually send the mares off the farm to be sure they can't "cheat". Since I have a mare who will bag up at the sight of a foal, that's important here. Once they come back after 1 month, I put the foals back out with them and they run until they're a year or older. Unless they're boys that I haven't gelded yet, of course. I geld as early as possible if I can look at one and tell he's not ever going to be stallion material, and that's really 99% of them. If one is that special then he gets pulled at 6 months and that's it for runnin' with the girls. I put the young boys with an older gelding and they can all run together.

Your mare should do great on Senior til she's lactating again. Just keep the Amplify or Ultium going for a while, til she's all built back up and by the time she foals again she should be fat and sassy.
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    05-28-2013, 11:48 AM
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db I also thought you were a bit hard on warmbloods - not like you at all
If you do want to breed every year its best to wean as early as possible to give the mare a chance to build up and increase her feed intake so the foal growing inside her gets every chance of developing well while she's trying to produce good milk for the feeding foal and keep in good condition herself so she can then feed the next foal
Nature in the wild may allow the female species the ability to produce offspring each year but that doesn't mean those offspring will always survive or be as sturdy and well developed as when the mare gets a chance of a year off now and again - a dead foal in the wild is natures own way of allowing a mare some rest a breeders wanting a foal each year has to compensate by way of extra care
     
    05-28-2013, 11:57 AM
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As long as the mare is maintaining weight and condition I see no reason you could not breed each year. The program/feed you're using seems to be nutrient-dense and able to provide the nutritional support necessary. I also use wet alfalfa cubes as a supplement to provide hydration as well as fiber, but pellets would be similar nutritionally. Only thing I can add is the use of stabilized rice bran if weight becomes an issue.
     
    05-28-2013, 12:06 PM
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I am going to monitor her condition and Dancer will not be bred until next month so she will have 8 months after weaning her filly.
I will not breed her for the third time until the following March. So I am not planning on breeding her on her foal heat each and every time. She will have time in between foals to recover.
Thanks for the suggestions everyone. Shalom
     
    05-28-2013, 01:16 PM
  #20
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Originally Posted by Golden Horse    
Maybe if you owned a uterus you would think differently! . .
Sounds like he owns several ... lol .. each in a broodmare.

I have a uterus in my own body (for whatever THAT means) and I tend to agree with dba. The clown car comment was uncalled for. Mare's were designed to deliver foals every year ... and left to themselves with a stallion, will do so almost every year.

I respect someone who doesn't want to do that because their mares are show horses or riding horses, but have nooooooo problem with someone breeding a broodmare back to back.

That's their job .. imo.
     

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