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    06-16-2009, 08:05 PM
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Foal
Late stages questions

So now we know that our mare is definitely pregnant and when I told our vet that it was August of last year that we think she got impregnated, the vet said, "that sounds about right". Well this forum has taught me a lot and also inspired a lot of questions...any help?

On one of the posts someone said they saw the foal moving in the mare. Well that has had me out sitting and watching for it to move, or standing for hours with my hand on her belly. I don't think I have felt it moving. At about what stage do you see that?

Another post talked about the softening of the hind end and tail region. Her's is really soft compared to my other mares. Is that something that continues as she gets closer or just when she is really close.

There has been a lot of talk about bagging up. Her bags have changed sizes. Is that normal?

Milk...I appreciated whoever talked about the different color/taste...etc. But I haven't noticed any milk on her. Do they start having milk later maybe?

Thanks for all your help...I am so glad I found this website.
     
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    06-16-2009, 08:55 PM
  #2
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By my understanding, when a mare is very close to foaling, you will notice her teats starting to drip milk.

I'm sorry, I'm hungry and my thoughts are running together. I will try again later :P
     
    06-16-2009, 09:59 PM
  #3
Weanling
Is she a maiden mare? (Has she had a foal before?) If she IS a maiden, some of the "classical" signs may well be absent in her ...

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I don't think I have felt it moving. At about what stage do you see that?
You will usually see it moving more a few months before foaling when there is more room for the baby to kick around in there, before it gets much bigger. Usually when the mare is moving, the baby is sleeping - lulled to sleep by the motion. When the mare comes in and is eating and resting - that's when the kid will usually jump around in there! Some movements are subtle - you will almost think she is just wiggling her skin to get rid of a fly. Others not so subtle - you'd swear a foot is coming through the poor mare's side!

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Another post talked about the softening of the hind end and tail region. Her's is really soft compared to my other mares. Is that something that continues as she gets closer or just when she is really close.
That will usually occur a few days before foaling and get softer and more relaxed as foaling is imminent. When the tail gets as limp as lifting a piece of cooked spaghetti - you know she is getting closer. When you kind of tap on her bum, on either side of the tail, just below, and it gets "jelly" like, her pelvic area is softening in preparation for foaling. Check her vulva lips as well - get to understand what "normal" looks like for her. As foaling is approaching, the lips of the vulva will get longer

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There has been a lot of talk about bagging up. Her bags have changed sizes. Is that normal?
Yes. Very much so. The bags will fill and recede. Fill and recede some more. Usually as she is outside and moving around, when you bring her in, they will be more flaccid. When she has been standing around in her stall all night long, it will fill up some more. When the bag is as hard at night when you bring her in as it was when you turned her out in the morning, that's a sign that foaling time is near. Check her milk veins running under her belly the her udder. Are they sort of pronounced or VERY noticeable? As foaling approaches, they will stand out and be VERY noticeable!

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Milk...I appreciated whoever talked about the different color/taste...etc. But I haven't noticed any milk on her. Do they start having milk later maybe?
***Most*** mares will wax up and you will notice a glob on the end of her teats. Again - another sign. But some mares wont wax, or they will wax and foal within hours. Some mares drip milk for hours or days before foaling, some don't drip at all. Generally when it turns a "skim milk colour" she is getting ready to foal and supposedly when it changes from a salty taste to a sweeter taste - that again means she is getting ready to foal, but as many times as I have tasted it, I'll be darned if I can sense any taste difference at all! So no idea if that is a valid way of telling anything ...

Talking about milk and udders - will she allow you to clean and handle her udder? VERY important as you don't want to find out when the foal is fishing around for a teat that she will NOT allow this and will cow kick anyone or anything that tries! You have to clean it anyhow, so with warm wet towels get her used to it being poked and prodded as well

Do you have baby bottles on hand? A chain shank and twitch in case you are faced with a mare that wont allow her baby to nurse? Enough bodies to help if need be?

Hope this helps - ask as many questions as you need to. I'm sure between the lot of us we can answer most if not all of them for you

Good luck!

Oh! And you must post pictures of your girl for us to see, and do you have a picture of the stallion as well?
     
    06-16-2009, 10:51 PM
  #4
Foal
Thanks! As far as we know she is a maiden mare. She was a rescue horse when we got her and only around 4 years old. So I doubt she had one prior to this.

She will let me touch her nipples, and I have gently squeezed and tested to see if she had any issues with this, none yet.

Also, we don't "lock" her in her stall. She has a small pasture connected to her stall so not sure how to check her "bag" like you said when I let her out of the stall, but I will check early morning and see if I notice a difference versus mid day...will pay more attention to that.

In some ways she seems really ready and others she doesn't.
     
    06-16-2009, 11:20 PM
  #5
Foal
This is the "Stallion" but we are not a breeder. He will be a gelding soon.

Trooper is a 6 yr old BLM Mustang who we adopted 2 years ago. He is a wonderful horse.

ARGGGGGGGG...we hang carrot theives around these parts...
     
    06-16-2009, 11:22 PM
  #6
Foal
Looking for photos of Lakota (mare)...computer crashed, so going thru cds
Will get new prego picture tomorrow and post.
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    06-17-2009, 12:01 AM
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You are being a very responsible owner for gelding the stallion, so kudos to you!
I am very impressed by how much you are wanting to learn and do right by your mare. Kudos again!
     
    06-17-2009, 06:36 AM
  #8
Weanling
Okay. With her being a maiden mare she may well not follow all of the classic signs and may do things on her own terms and timetable ...

Its not unusual for the maiden's to relax their tailhead, soften up in behind, elongate the vulva and start waxing all within a few hours prior to foaling. So- you may well check her at 9:00 - 10:00 pm, see no "real" signs she is about to foal, sleep through the night thinking all is okay, and wake to find a foal with her ...

Mares can also be notoriously "sneaky". You may also spend the night with her, go in for 20 minutes to make yourself a coffee, and come out to find a foal as well. So - just be prepared - it wont necessarily go as planned!

And that's great news as well that she will allow you to handle her udder and teats now. That's a huge step forward right there ...
     
    06-17-2009, 08:59 AM
  #9
Weanling
Misty wasn't a maiden mare, she started bagging up on May 28th the foal wasn't born till June 11th. She never dripped milk or waxed.
     
    06-17-2009, 09:26 AM
  #10
Foal
Went out and checked her this morning and her bags were more full. Not as full as the one on "waiting for this mare to foal".

Also checked the vulva lips, guess I will just keep checking there for any changes, and no "spaghetti" tail

Took new pictures, from the side view I don't think she really looks that pregnant but when you are standing there she looks BIG.

The rear view ones were too blurry, she kept switchin' her tail. Will try again later.
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