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Lena's Foaling Thread

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#1 ·
Well, five months into the pregnancy, I have decided from now on every month on the 14th (The date we are using as a guesstimation of when she was bred.) I will do an update.

I know five months is pretty early to start anything, but it will keep me busy for the next 6 months.

I don't expect a dozen replies until closer to the tenth month. Though at least this way everyone will know when we are closing in.

Just to catch a few people up on this long journey of mine---

I bought a rescue horse back in April, the people said she was probably about five months pregnant. She had been running with a stallion for a long time, had two foals nursing off of her, one wasn't hers the other was. Even after being taken from her abusive owner, the bank put the horses on some other person that kept the stallion with her.(And the other ten mares and yearlings.) When I bought her, I had the vet come out to do an ultrasound and she came up open at the time. Five months went past and things didn't seem right with her stomach, she had put on all the weight she needed and extra. The vet came out for a check-up, on her own said, "Either I missed a pregnancy or she is having a false pregnancy." She then did a palpation and said the uterus falls under the pelvic brim and repeated the words. Having a 50/50 answer, I bought a weefoal test for 120-300 days. It came out with a very strong positive, so here we go.

She is due to foal around December through March. Vet had said she was anywhere from 16-30 days pregnant at the first ultrasound and was why she couldn't see it. With the last palpation the vet put her anywhere from 5-8 months pregnant... Um, I have an amazing vet? (Doesn't specialize in Equine.) Anywho, so logic says 4-5 months pregnant.

So, today at "five" months pregnant.---

  • Continually picked on by the other mare, even though she is way bigger.
  • Just... fat and slow. Always has been.
  • About to move her and the other mare to a second pasture in hopes to grow some new grass.
  • Going to start renovating the lean-to into a makeshift weather-proof stall.
  • Vet should be coming out in September for a Rhino vaccination. (Said better late then early.)
Also, as we get closer to being due I would love for some people to make some guessing on the date, color, and sex of the foal.

A little info on both the parents.

Dam-
Registered name: Sickum Doc Olena
Color: Chestnut Tobiano
Birth: April of 1998

Sire-
Registered name: Pee Ridge Loudcloud
Color: Black and White Overo
Birth: 1998

This foal has a good chance of making it into the world. Not that I plan on selling him/her, but at least if I have to it will be registered and has some good lines going for it.

Also, name suggestions would be awesome. I'm obsessing a tiny bit, I have a word document started for keeping track of her pregnancy and putting down some name possibilities. I would love if I could find a name that merges both sire and dam together.

So, I suppose the next update will be in a month. :D
 
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#4 · (Edited)
Another foal thread to make me impatient! You've probably cursed yourself to a very long pregnancy. :wink:

I like the name Sickum Loudcloud though, not sure for a stable name. What breed is Lena and the sire?

I probably have cursed myself, though the last five months will never be topped.

They are both registered American Paint Horses.

Lena's side is mostly Quarter Horses bred to I seen her dad, he is beautiful.

Joker's has Throughbred and paint all scrambled around. He also is beautiful, my dad had to help catch him for some people that bought him the same day I bought Lena.

I also seen Lena's yearling foal, she looked more like Joker, not a speck of brown to be seen.

Though there was a bay foal that was nursing off Lena, hasn't been decided whether or not it was actually her foal. There was a bay mare that died after being rescued.

I will add Sickum Loudcloud to the choices. :D

Oh, and here is Lena's pedigree.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/sickum+doc+olena

And I just added Joker's.

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/pee+ridge+loudcloud
 
#7 ·
Paint momma paint daddy... IT HAS TO BE A PAINT.

Oh yes, wonderful logics. Makes it slightly easy on guessing. Though brown and white momma black and white daddy... hmm.

6 monrths of torturing all of this forum, welcome to the world I've been living in for five months without a 100% yes or no until a few weeks ago. Keep the names coming. Doc Pee isn't to bad. O:
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#8 ·
LOL,

Im not too good at names at all, but I was playing around a little bit....

Sickum Ridge
Sickum Pee Ridge
Sickum Cloud Olena
Doc Ridge
Doc Pee Ridge
Doc Loudcloud
Doc Cloud Olena
Olena Ridge
Olena Loudcloud
Olena Cloud
O.P. Ridge Cloud
Ridged Sickum Cloud
 
#12 ·
Memory made me say wrong. The paint foal she had was a brown and white overo. o.o

Here is a picture from December(When all horses were first rescued.)
Mammal Horse Vertebrate Sorrel Mustang horse


The bay foal up front she was nursing, no one knows the filly is hers or not.
The paint yearling in the back was hers for sure.
 
#371 ·
Memory made me say wrong. The paint foal she had was a brown and white overo. o.o

Here is a picture from December(When all horses were first rescued.)
View attachment 72560

The bay foal up front she was nursing, no one knows the filly is hers or not.
The paint yearling in the back was hers for sure.
This where I got the idea that Joker would be Ee, the yearling was also Lena's.
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#18 ·
I know that the foal is on it's way regardless, but have you though about testing Lena for LWO? I understand that there is nothing you can do now if she is positive, but it might be best to be informed and prepared just in case if you know what I mean?
 
#20 ·
She has at least one other white pattern, since currently leanings are toward tobiano not causing face white. Frame can and does hide, so I personally would recommend testing any horse in a breed that has it.


These two horses carry frame, but present a phenotype that does not suggest it (aside from blue eyes, which can also be caused by splash).







This tobiano also carries frame, and as you can see, there is not much evidence of it.



I am not at all suggesting that Lena carries frame. I just naturally suspect any Paint of carrying it, and would always suggest testing before breeding in any breed that is known to have frame.

Known Breeds to have Frame (test based)
American Paint Horse
American Quarter Horse
American Indian Horse
American Shetland Pony
Miniature Horse
Mustang
Nokota
Spanish Mustang
Spotted Kentucky Mountain Saddle Horse
Spotted Saddle horse
Tennessee Walking Horse
Thoroughbred

Suspect Breeds (phenotype)
American Saddlebred
American Warmblood
Australian Draught Horse
Australian Stock Horse
Azteca
Campolina
Criollo
Curly
Falabella
Gelderland
Missouri Fox Trotter
Morgan
National Show Horse
Quarter pony


ETA: I know you didn't breed Lena, so please don't take this as an attack or anything like that :)
 
#25 ·
I also can't see the pictures. Hmm. I don't know. Her father is also tobiano and I am rather sure she was bred without the chance of OLW. Though ill keep the thought of doing such.
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What exactly do you mean? That you know she wont have an OLWs foal?

Sorry but Frame is the master gene at hiding. I have my fingers crossed that she doesn't have an OLWs foal...
 
#26 · (Edited)
Would it possibly say on a registration paper whether a horse is a carrier or not?

Beside the fact that frame can show in a tobiano, that would mean a parent would have to have been overo or somewhere down the lineage there would have to be a frame carrier. I just looked on Lena's pedigree, as far down as I can go there is all tobiano's, not an overo in sight, there is absolutely no way she could be an OLW carrier.

Though, the stallion is overo. Not sure on his status. The foal she had with him, the one in the picture, had one blue eye.
 
#28 ·
Try just the links. First two are minimal frame.

http://equine.colorgenetics.info/eq...2_GALLERYSID=07c3eeafbec444fff8631d2f002ec8bc

http://equine.colorgenetics.info/eq...2_GALLERYSID=07c3eeafbec444fff8631d2f002ec8bc

This one is a tobiano that has tested for frame.

http://equine.colorgenetics.info/eq...2_GALLERYSID=07c3eeafbec444fff8631d2f002ec8bc


Frame hides, it is excellent at it. It can hide for generations, especially in a line of tobiano because you are already expecting white. At the end of the day, there has to be another pattern in there to cause the white face marking, and it's a one in three chance that it is frame.
 
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