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    08-17-2011, 05:44 PM
Green Broke
Bummer...^^^cant see the pictures :(
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    08-17-2011, 08:58 PM
I also can't see the pictures. Hmm. I don't know. Her father is also tobiano and I am rather sure she was bred without the chance of OLW. Though ill keep the thought of doing such.
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    08-17-2011, 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiilaa    
She has at least one other white pattern, since currently leanings are toward tobiano not causing face white. Frame can and does hide, so I personally would recommend testing any horse in a breed that has it.

These two horses carry frame, but present a phenotype that does not suggest it (aside from blue eyes, which can also be caused by splash).

This tobiano also carries frame, and as you can see, there is not much evidence of it.

I am not at all suggesting that Lena carries frame. I just naturally suspect any Paint of carrying it, and would always suggest testing before breeding in any breed that is known to have frame.

Known Breeds to have Frame (test based)
American Paint Horse
American Quarter Horse
American Indian Horse
American Shetland Pony
Miniature Horse
Spanish Mustang
Spotted Kentucky Mountain Saddle Horse
Spotted Saddle horse
Tennessee Walking Horse

Suspect Breeds (phenotype)
American Saddlebred
American Warmblood
Australian Draught Horse
Australian Stock Horse
Missouri Fox Trotter
National Show Horse
Quarter pony

ETA: I know you didn't breed Lena, so please don't take this as an attack or anything like that

This maybe a stupid question, and sorry for asking it, but what exactly is it? I've honestly never heard of it...is it like Lethal White Syndrome?
    08-17-2011, 09:56 PM
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^^Nevermind....sorry :) Just looked it up, wikipedia has a good description of it....

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    08-17-2011, 10:28 PM
Originally Posted by Ladybug2001    
I also can't see the pictures. Hmm. I don't know. Her father is also tobiano and I am rather sure she was bred without the chance of OLW. Though ill keep the thought of doing such.
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What exactly do you mean? That you know she wont have an OLWs foal?

Sorry but Frame is the master gene at hiding. I have my fingers crossed that she doesn't have an OLWs foal...
    08-17-2011, 10:28 PM
Would it possibly say on a registration paper whether a horse is a carrier or not?

Beside the fact that frame can show in a tobiano, that would mean a parent would have to have been overo or somewhere down the lineage there would have to be a frame carrier. I just looked on Lena's pedigree, as far down as I can go there is all tobiano's, not an overo in sight, there is absolutely no way she could be an OLW carrier.

Though, the stallion is overo. Not sure on his status. The foal she had with him, the one in the picture, had one blue eye.
    08-17-2011, 10:29 PM
No it wouldn't.
    08-17-2011, 11:09 PM
Try just the links. First two are minimal frame.



This one is a tobiano that has tested for frame.


Frame hides, it is excellent at it. It can hide for generations, especially in a line of tobiano because you are already expecting white. At the end of the day, there has to be another pattern in there to cause the white face marking, and it's a one in three chance that it is frame.
    08-17-2011, 11:11 PM
Links don't work Chillaa.
    08-17-2011, 11:12 PM
"access denied" linky's are broken.

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