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    01-05-2012, 12:44 PM
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Let's talk about breeding costs

It's my dream to have a broodmare one day. I don't have one yet, but I'm researching a lot. I'm looking at a great mare 15 years old, she had 2 foals when she was 5.

So what are expenses:
-pre-exam
-AI
-ultrasounds (how many times?)
-which vaccines, how often?
-which dewormers, how often?
-extra food? When to start feeding different food?
-which exams and how often should a vet check her?
-what about genetic testing? (we're talking about a warmblood if this makes any difference)
-what goes wrong often and how much does a vet costs then?
-which exams for foal and which for mare after the foaling?
-which illnesses/injuries do foals often get? How much does vet cost then?
-which illnesses/injuries do mares get?
-special food for mare & foal?
-anything else?

If you were to breed a mare, how much money would you prepare (without seed)? Let's forget about normal food and farriers... But everything else?
     
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    01-05-2012, 06:22 PM
  #2
Started
Most of the costs would depend on what vet you use, and how often your mare would need one. Some mares are more prone to need vet care while others are as tough as nails. Some mares need specialized diets, are hard keepers, and yet others get fat from looking at food. Each mare has their own dietary needs, and your vet would be the best source. Call an equine repro specialist and start getting quotes. They should tell you what their costs are for their services. They may even be able to give you an estimate on how much you may spend annually on mare care. Almost every question you asked, a vet could probably answer more accurately then any one else could. Each vet is different with fees, check ups, and services.
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    01-05-2012, 06:39 PM
  #3
Green Broke
Good post SunnyDraco, the vet would be a good place to start, but there are lots of experts on here that might give you some insight on the actual physical breeding and foaling.

I must commend you for thinking it all out first and not just blindly breeding for a baby horsie.

The bottom line is that it is expensive and risky for the mare and foal.
     
    01-05-2012, 06:52 PM
  #4
Yearling
You didn't add in the Stud fee and mare care for live cover or vet fee for IA.
     
    01-05-2012, 07:16 PM
  #5
Trained
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Originally Posted by cmarie    
You didn't add in the Stud fee and mare care for live cover or vet fee for IA.

These are going to be your largest cost. Especially if you can not do any of the work yourself.
     
    01-05-2012, 07:25 PM
  #6
Yearling
The only thing I know for sure, is a mare needs her Rhino vaccinations during her 5th, 7th, and 9th month. Then (what my vet is doing) all shots at 10 months.

... My only two cents 'cause I don't know much of anything else.
     
    01-05-2012, 07:35 PM
  #7
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Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
These are going to be your largest cost. Especially if you can not do any of the work yourself.

I would only consider it the "highest cost" if the stallion has a several thousand dollar stud fee, IMO. You can spend more than the stud fee and collection costs doing AI if your mare isn't coming into heat on your schedule, needing ultrasound after ultrasound, and if they don't take the first time, you are back at square one. Also, if the mare requires special needs, she racks up her own bill. -my mom spent more in vet bills on her two mares the spring of '10 (one was looking ready to breed at every ultrasound -didn't take because the vet couldn't figure out when she would actually ovulate- while the other was not even coming into season even into the middle of May -did take after getting shots to force her cycle) than it would have cost her to haul them to the stallion halfway across the US to do live cover.

If the mare takes the first time, only needed a couple ultrasounds to find her regular cycle... then I would consider the stud fee, liver cover mare care/AI collection fees the largest cost. Really depends on the mare and how lucky you get.
     
    01-05-2012, 07:41 PM
  #8
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Originally Posted by cinderella    
It's my dream to have a broodmare one day. I don't have one yet, but I'm researching a lot. I'm looking at a great mare 15 years old, she had 2 foals when she was 5.

So what are expenses: Your expenses will vary with your location, the stud fee is just the tip of the iceberg.

-pre-exam Breeding exam will depend of if the vet just ultrasounds and palps, or just palps or does palp, US, culture, cytology and for a 15 y.o. Mare, probably a biopsy. That exam ot OSU Vet School would cost me around $125. If all clear and healthy, no more charges, if any infections or biopsy abnormality found.....cost goes up.

-AI OSU does a package that includes all normal drugs, AI and ultrasounds to confirm pregnant or not, around $300? Might have gone up, I've used live cover the last couple of years. The $300 is per cycle.

-ultrasounds (how many times?) $65 and up for each one, I usually do 1 to confirm pregnancy, 1 at 45 days and one at 60-65 days to sex the fetus if desired.

-which vaccines, how often? Your mare should be current on her yearly vaccines before you start breeding her. Then at 3,5,7,9 months, Pneumabort K, at 10 months all her normal yearly vaccinations should be given again, appx 30 days before delivery. Those costs vary widly depending on how many vacs you give, whether you do it or have the vet do it and where you buy the vacs from. Generally, I figure about $120/year/horse

-which dewormers, how often? Fecal Test to see if needed and let the vet tell you what to use for what is found. I give Ivermectin within 12 hrs of delivery of the foal.

-extra food? When to start feeding different food? I start feeding Purina Omolene 300 at 9 months and through weaning. The amount is dependent on the size of the mare & foal. Feeding directions are on the bag. $20/bag

-which exams and how often should a vet check her? I have the mare tested in the beginning, AI'd and pregnancy confirmed, checked at 45 & 60 days. After that, not unless there's a problem or until the foal is born and I do a well foal check within the first 24 - 48 hrs. I draw and do my own IgG test so no need for the vet for that.

-what about genetic testing? (we're talking about a warmblood if this makes any difference) Not familiar with WB genetics

-what goes wrong often and how much does a vet costs then? I've had mares not take for 3 or 4 tries, at $300 per cycle that can get expensive, as can the shipping costs for the semen. Those run from $300 to $700 per shipment depending on the stallion.

-which exams for foal and which for mare after the foaling? I take the mare & foal in for a wellness check within 24-48 hrs of foaling, depending on how well the mom and foal appear to be doing. Mare gets checked reproductively to make sure she's clean and they check the foal for any birth abnormalities. They go in immediately if I even THINK there's something not right.

-which illnesses/injuries do foals often get? How much does vet cost then? Foal Pneumonia, Failure of Passive Immune Transfer, I've never had a foal get injured in the foaling stall, but once they and mom are back on pasture......well.....that can be anything. Foal Pneumonia & Transfer Failure both can be deadly and very expensive. I've had 1 foal get pneumonia and it cost me over $1K and 14 days in foal ICU and I got off light because I caught it so early. I've heard of vet bills over $5K so it pays to catch things quick.

-which illnesses/injuries do mares get? Retained Placenta is fairly common and not too horribly expenisive to treat USUALLY. $500 or less for me.

-special food for mare & foal? OMOLENE 300 for the mare and foal when foal starts to nibble at mom's food. As the foal gets bigger and more independent, a creep feeder so mom can't hog all the food and foal can get what it needs.

-anything else? Blessed Are The Broodmares by M. Phyllis Lose, has a LOT of really good info on the whole breeding, pregnancy and foaling routine and goes into a LOT of detail about all the stuff that can go wrong.

If you were to breed a mare, how much money would you prepare (without seed)? Let's forget about normal food and farriers... But everything else?
For a 15 y.o. Mare, who hasn't been bred recently, I'd allow for the breeding soundness exam, at least 3 attempts at AI and those collecting & shipping, then after that, it's not usually too bad. Some places still use a shipping container that you have to return and there's a deposit on that, usually $250 & shipping appx $100. I use disposables so no deposit, no return.

So, my costs would be (approx):
$125 exam,
$350 X 3, shipping & collection costs
$300 X 3, AI
$ 65 X 2, US after confirmation of pregnancy
$ 20 x 4, Pneumabort K shots
$120 X 1, yearly Vacs
$ 40 , yearly costs of fecal tests and deworming
$ 40 X 1, IgG test
$200 , Misc costs I can't think of

Total
$2500-3000 is a safe budget, AFTER you buy the stud fee

Not sure for WB's but for most breeds, we used to figure 3X the stud fee for the price of the foal when it hit the ground. So, if a stud fee was $2500, you should be able to sell the foal for $7500 the day it's born. NOT the case for most foals these days. Much cheaper to go out and buy exactly what you want from a proven pair, for most people.

The fun of playing with the baby and mom, PRICELESS!
     
    01-05-2012, 08:34 PM
  #9
Trained
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Originally Posted by cinderella    
It's my dream to have a broodmare one day. I don't have one yet, but I'm researching a lot. I'm looking at a great mare 15 years old, she had 2 foals when she was 5.

So what are expenses:
-pre-exam
Most mares will not need this. If the mare is older or you are having a hard time getting her in foal then this is something you may need. Or if you are just buying a broodmare. This is something you really should do before buying. Cost will vary but on average about $300 is a good starting place.

-AI

For me $0. However this will vary depending on the vet and your mare. Again on average about $45

-ultrasounds (how many times?)
Again for me $0. However if you are going to use a vet firgure about 4-6 times and about $100 each time unless you haul to the vet. Again this will vary but that is about what it cost here.

-which vaccines, how often?
EVH-1 at 3 5 7 months and then the normal vac at 10 months.

-which dewormers, how often?

Same as you would if the mare is not bred. I like to make sure I de worm the mares at the same time they get they 4 way. Then again 3 days after they foal. But that is the only difference which really is not any different.
-extra food? When to start feeding different food?

This is a big thing a lot of people make a mistake with. My broodmares diet really dose not change. I do not up their feed before or after they foal. If you feed too much before they foal the foal can get too large and cause problems and upping their feed after can cause other problems. This is one of those things that you look at your mare and go from there and see what they need. No more.

-which exams and how often should a vet check her?

I have my broodmares vet checked at 20 days to make sure they are not twining. Then if I feel the need again at 2-3 months. Past that there is no really need. However if I have the vet out for any other reason I do have them check the broodmares. If you are not comfortable with broodmares and foaling then having the vet out after the mare foals is a very good idea. These cost would vary and depend on what your vets farm call is and what you have them do.

-what about genetic testing? (we're talking about a warmblood if this makes any difference)

Can not say about WB but even then it is a one time cost so it is not something I really figure into the breeding cost. It is more a cost of doing business.
-what goes wrong often and how much does a vet costs then?

This is a loaded question. They are horses. Anything can go wrong and at the very least you will have a farm call usually an emergency farm call and then what ever work they may do. The most common seems to be retained placenta or a bout of colic.
-which exams for foal and which for mare after the foaling?

I touched this above. This will vary depending on how comfortable you are with the whole thing. I do not normally have the vet out just to have them out. I check the placenta and if it is all there and everything is going well I do not have the vet out. If there is something up then I call.

-which illnesses/injuries do foals often get?
No more or less then any other horse.

How much does vet cost then?
-which illnesses/injuries do mares get?

No more or less then when they are not in foal.
-special food for mare & foal?

Again no more or less then you would any other horse.

-anything else?

If you were to breed a mare, how much money would you prepare (without seed)? Let's forget about normal food and farriers... But everything else?
Again it varies. What your vet charges feel cost and other things.
     
    01-05-2012, 08:40 PM
  #10
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Originally Posted by SunnyDraco    
I would only consider it the "highest cost" if the stallion has a several thousand dollar stud fee, IMO. You can spend more than the stud fee and collection costs doing AI if your mare isn't coming into heat on your schedule, needing ultrasound after ultrasound, and if they don't take the first time, you are back at square one. Also, if the mare requires special needs, she racks up her own bill. -my mom spent more in vet bills on her two mares the spring of '10 (one was looking ready to breed at every ultrasound -didn't take because the vet couldn't figure out when she would actually ovulate- while the other was not even coming into season even into the middle of May -did take after getting shots to force her cycle) than it would have cost her to haul them to the stallion halfway across the US to do live cover.

If the mare takes the first time, only needed a couple ultrasounds to find her regular cycle... then I would consider the stud fee, liver cover mare care/AI collection fees the largest cost. Really depends on the mare and how lucky you get.
No luck involved. It comes down to how good you are or your vet. There is no reason why a vet can not determine when a mare is going to ovulate. I do not even use a vet to AI and breed my mares with shipped semen and have great luck getting mares in foal. More so then even my vet. Who is not a Repro vet.
     

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