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post #11 of 37 Old 04-22-2009, 09:33 PM
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This is my mom's overo mini mare. She carries the frame and splash gene.


These two are full siblings but you would never know it by their markings.




They are the result of a tovero stallion bred to a solid mare.

Someone stole my %&#*@&% Carrot!
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post #12 of 37 Old 04-22-2009, 09:59 PM
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All these mini horses are darling!!! Can kids ride them?
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post #13 of 37 Old 04-22-2009, 10:05 PM
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I would never allow kids to ride ours. A mini is too small to be properly broken out by an adult which to me means that it is not trained enough for a child to ride it. All three of ours are trained to drive and we have tons of fun in the cart!

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post #14 of 37 Old 04-22-2009, 10:16 PM
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Yes I guess I didn't think of that. They are so tiny tho! hahaha Very nice!

Ok back on topic :)
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post #15 of 37 Old 04-22-2009, 10:56 PM
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Tovero
(pronounced: tow vair' oh)
Dark pigmentation around the ears, which may expand to cover the forehead and/or eyes.

One or both eyes blue.
Interesting... My mare is Tovero by registration, but she has very dark eyes.

I've been always confused with the spots on back. If most of back white, but there are couple dark spots on top, is it considered to be overo or tobiano? And vs (mostly dark with couple white spots)?
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post #16 of 37 Old 04-23-2009, 07:30 AM Thread Starter
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Miniatures can be safely ridden by small children. An avg 32" mini can carry 75 lbs but that includes the weight of the saddle. Most of our minis are B divsion so they are taller and can handle more weight.

Okay Im probably going to get flamed and I have been trying to hold my tongue but the Apha site on color is soooo outdated. Its kinda of a joke in the industry to people who study color. I just think APHA has never updated it as things changed over the years. Hopefully they will get around to that.

Most people who are really into color genetics hate the term "tovero" because so many misuse it and it really only says that the horse is overo plus tobiano. But which overo gene?? So most do Frame plus Tobiano for example
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post #17 of 37 Old 04-23-2009, 07:55 PM
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I will agree with you about being outdated weefoal. However, those of us who are really into paints only have the 4 categories, as vague as they may be, to choose from. That would be interesting if they would get into that though, more detailed color genetics. That would probably entail bloodwork done with every registration though, which could be good and bad IMO. No flamage weefoal, I enjoy getting educated


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Interesting... My mare is Tovero by registration, but she has very dark eyes.

I've been always confused with the spots on back. If most of back white, but there are couple dark spots on top, is it considered to be overo or tobiano? And vs (mostly dark with couple white spots)?
All the characteristics listed don't have to be present. Overo will not have any white that crosses over the back at all between the withers and the tail. In the mane and tail is ok. From looking at your horse, it is most definately a tovero just from seeing the white back(tobiano), "medicine hat" (dark ears), and bald face(overo). She is very cute btw :) I love paints!
As for the specific genetics, I will leave that to weefoal ;)
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There is still a lot of good info on there for sure.

The really suprising thing is they still use the term "cropout" when its known now that there is no such thing as a cropout. But its funny because some pages say that and some dont LOL

And I wish they would update the sabino page since much more is now known and it can be tested for now.

But hey at least they have the good info on there too :)
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From looking at your horse, it is most definately a tovero just from seeing the white back(tobiano), "medicine hat" (dark ears), and bald face(overo). She is very cute btw :) I love paints!
Thank you, Shawneen! :)

And thanks for explaining! It's been always very confusing. In my understanding often people just misuse (or don't know) the definitions. I heard from 2 different people that the same horse is "overo" from one person and "tobiano" from another. Both were local paint breeders.
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Hahaha, yeah a lot of times people don't use the right terms. I don't like to correct people very often because I hate coming across as a know-it-all. I LOVE black and white paints and often look at the online horse sale sites. The most common things I see that crack me up are: "black & white" (when it's obviously BROWN), "medicine hat" paint (that is tovero usually), "tri-color" paint (tobiano), "stands 15.4h" (or something similar 15.5, 15.6 etc). Now I'm not trying to knock anyone, just if you are going to own/sell a registered horse, wouldn't you try to know something about it, or at least seem like you do?
weefoal has given me some education here on the types of color "pattern" genes. I know about lethal white and sabino, but she is obviously quite knowledgeable about the specifics. I have studied color genes for breeding purposes for a long time to target specific coat colors (I don't care much for red horses). So basically the point is - those people irk me that will just throw some data at you without really looking into it. And you said they were breeders to boot.... *sigh*
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