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    05-16-2013, 11:19 AM
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Linebreeding/Inbreeding?

I'm trying to learn everything I can about linebreeding/inbreeding.

I was recently given a miniature mare who I have now discovered is in foal by her own adult colt. I was promised she had been checked and was not in foal when I took her - Turns out, she was not checked by an actual veterinarian.

Trying to get a crash course in terms of what I'm in for, what could possibly happen (go right? Go wrong?). Things I need to look for? Exactly how bad is it to have a mare bred back to her own colt? I've been doing some research but everything I've found is very clinical and theoretical, I'm more looking for a practical application.

The mare is a paint, 19 years old, was underweight for most of the pregnancy and basically comes from a "rescue" type situation. I have owned her for less than 3 weeks. She has bagged up and her milk is coming in.

Please stick to educational/informative/personal experience replies. I really don't want a lecture about how this foal should never have been conceived. I am fully aware this foal should never have been conceived - but it is too late to change things and so I am planning on giving this foal the best chance possible. I'm really just trying to educate myself as much as possible at this point.

Thanks in advance, everyone.
     
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    05-16-2013, 11:24 AM
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Weanling
I don't know very much about the topic...it's too bad that this has happened...I've heard many stories about this kind of thing and usually the end result is ok, apparently some breeders actually do this on purpose...if you could even imagine that!!!
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    05-16-2013, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by anniegirl    
I don't know very much about the topic...it's too bad that this has happened...I've heard many stories about this kind of thing and usually the end result is ok, apparently some breeders actually do this on purpose...if you could even imagine that!!!
I've really hoping the poor little thing turns out okay. The mare is not, in my opinion, breeding quality. She is AMHR registered, but her conformation is mediocre. She's a sweet gal, she was given to me for my son to ride and she is great for him, but I trusted them when they said she was not bred.

My understanding is that "linebreeding" emphasizes the characteristics of the parents, significantly narrowing the gene pool. From my research crash-course, it seems that it is likely both good and bad traits will be emphasized. Unfortunately this horse is mediocre throughout - so I have no idea what we may be bringing forward.

My primary concern/fear is lethal white - not sure if miniature paints have the same risk of lethal white that full size paints do?

***I'm so overwhelmed by this!***
     
    05-16-2013, 11:42 AM
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Weanling
Awee..yes it must be overwhelming for you....I agree that the characteristics will be emphasized...you might just be surprised how well it turns out!! I had a friend who went through a similar experience when the BO turned her mare's colt out with the mother after they were instructed not to do so....fast forwarding a year...the mare had a beautiful filly by her own colt , she is now about 6 months and seems happy and healthy and vet checked out all ok...I would look into the lethal white if you can...I think mini's do have the same risk unfortunately.. and also keep a close eye on her when the time comes...minis are known to have more difficulty during birth...good luck and keep us posted!!! And pics!!! Lol
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    05-16-2013, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by anniegirl    
I don't know very much about the topic...it's too bad that this has happened...I've heard many stories about this kind of thing and usually the end result is ok, apparently some breeders actually do this on purpose...if you could even imagine that!!!
Linebreeding has produced some champion bloodlines by top of the line breeders, but not to be attempted by anyone of less than that caliber.
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    05-16-2013, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by simplysouthern    
My primary concern/fear is lethal white - not sure if miniature paints have the same risk of lethal white that full size paints do?

***I'm so overwhelmed by this!***
Yes, miniatures can carry lethal white. If both dam and sire are carriers, you have 25% chance of a foal that will be lethal white. You can have the mare tested.

I would be more concerned about the mare's health and nutrition. Especially if she hasn't been receiving proper care for almost all the pregnancy.
     
    05-16-2013, 11:56 AM
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Linebreeding has produced some champion bloodlines by top of the line breeders, but not to be attempted by anyone of less than that caliber.
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Yes, but keep in mind that when line breeding results in a less than desireable foal, they are often culled out. Nothing is ever a certainty.
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    05-16-2013, 12:02 PM
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Trained
^^^You got that right!
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    05-16-2013, 12:07 PM
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***I'm so overwhelmed by this!***
first, RELAX. It sounds like you care alot and are willing to do what it takes to help this mare out. There is a really good chance it will all be 100% ok and you will have a happy, healthy foal in no time.

I don't agree with inbreeding or linebreeding, I think it is asking for problems. If it is to be attempted, as was mentioned, it should only be don't by very(very, very) experienced, knowledgable breeders with specific goals in mind. That said, in most cases the foal is just fine.
     
    05-16-2013, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by SunnyDraco    
Yes, miniatures can carry lethal white. If both dam and sire are carriers, you have 25% chance of a foal that will be lethal white. You can have the mare tested.

I would be more concerned about the mare's health and nutrition. Especially if she hasn't been receiving proper care for almost all the pregnancy.
I've been focusing on her nutrition since I brought her home. She's on mare and foal as of her milk coming in and all the hay she can eat. Anyone have any additional supplement suggestions? I worry about the chances of laminitis/founder if I do too much? I'm completely new to ponies, my others are AQHA reg with foundation bloodlines.

The mare herself is tobiano. She was bred to a blanket appaloosa mini to produce the colt she is now in foal from - that colt turned out a leopard appy. - If that information helps?
     

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