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        01-25-2011, 10:50 PM
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    Green Broke
    Exclamation Looking at these two expectations..

    Alright, I've been looking at the two-time National Welsh stallion, *Wedderlie Mardi Gras, for YEARS! He's my favorite stallion in the world. I have the crazy weird thing with falling for horses that happen to be palomino.. I don't even like the color that much.. I would much prefer a bay with chrome.

    Foal watch at Family Partners Welsh Ponies

    Here's the expectation page. I'm looking at the first cross, and the last cross.

    First cross:
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    Wedderlie Mardi Gras x Holyoake Sonique

    I like the other foals out of this cross. Reference photos of the past two filies:

    ^ National Champion, and their favorite home bred mare.



    SECOND CROSS:
    x

    Wedderlie Mardi Gras
    x Imported Section B Welsh Pony mare *Waxwing Curtain Call

    Curtain Call's 2010 foal:
    http://www.welshponies.com/callie_5963.jpg

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    Now, I sent an email to the breeder asking basic questions. Since these foals are yet to be on the ground, she game me an estimate. $4,000-$7,500. I want two very nice crosses. I really want a foal out of one of the two crosses. My only condition is for it to be a filly. That's why I chose two crosses. She still hasn't gotten back to me when I asked about the availability of these two crosses outcome foals.

    The foal would be hauled for Oregon, to my place in Virginia. Hopefully next January.I want a hunter pony, competing at state levels, maybe nationals, a mild halter horse, and an exceptional broodmare behind that. I may also start the pony with a cart. I'm not sure. I'll buy the foal as a weanling, and work it until it has a "name" for itself, and a career under it's belt before I breed it.

    What do you all think?
         
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        01-25-2011, 11:05 PM
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    I don't know about Welsh breeds, but I know I would never pay $7,500 for a weanling based solely on its lineage. Heck, I could buy a trained Fresian for that kind of money. And hauling from Oregon to Virginia is going to probably cost $1,000 in itself.

    Breeding in not a garuntee. If you choose to purchase before the foal is on the ground, you are stuck with what you get. And getting a broodmare quality foal that produces exceptional foals is also a gamble.

    But, if I had to choose a cross, it would be the first one. I like the looks of the first mare the best.
         
        01-25-2011, 11:09 PM
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    First off I think you have an awsome plan. I like that your looking for a foal that has a champion sire, and proven pedigree (although I know nothing of the welsh pedigrees, but ill take the owners word for it lol). I like that your actually going to show the foal and give it a career and a "name" instead of just using it as a broodmare. That will greatly help the sale-bility (cant think of the right word) of any future foals she has. I would pick the first cross. The reasons: I like her confo better, and she has also proven herself as a broodmare by foaling a champion. Which will also help your future broodmares foals. While the other mare hasnt proven herself yet and I don't like her croup, its rather odd looking and gives her a really short hip. So heres to hoping that cross number one has a filly!
         
        01-25-2011, 11:19 PM
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    A knack for horses, while I do think it is a rather high price for a foal, look at all the reining and cutting horses and race horses. Several yearlings and weanlings are sold for twice this amount based on just there lineage. Same with several other breeds. Yes often times it doesnt pay off, but when it pays off, it pays off big. Breeding is alwasy a crapshoot, you never know what you might get even when you bred the best of the best. She has weighed her options and has decided this is what she wants to do. Would I do it, probably. IF I had the money and could afford to loose the money if worse came to worse.
         
        01-25-2011, 11:46 PM
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    Originally Posted by A knack for horses    

    I don't know about Welsh breeds, but I know I would never pay $7,500 for a weanling based solely on its lineage. Heck, I could buy a trained Fresian for that kind of money. And hauling from Oregon to Virginia is going to probably cost $1,000 in itself.
    I'm not trying to be argumentative, just simply offer another point of view:
    When you look into really, really well bred foals, you DO pay a premium, especially in the higher-end world. Paying upwards of $10,000 for a foal with amazing lines, and potential up the wazoo isn't abnormal. Friesians, even weanlings, seem to start at $8,000 for the lines that are "meh" at best, and upwards $15,000 for decent lines. Trained decent lines are in the $20,000+ range to start.
    Just to offer another opinon, and another point of view.
         
        01-26-2011, 12:06 AM
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    Wedderlie Mardi Gras lives quite close to me...less than a couple hours. I have always loved him and his foals! He is adorrrable! If you got one would you be buying it sight unseen or would you come and look at the foal first? Virginia is a long way away!!! Lol
    PS....personally I like the second cross better,but I am not much of a Welsh judge ;)
         
        01-26-2011, 01:18 AM
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    Green Broke
    I like the first one :) Soo cute! I always wanted a little welsh!
         
        01-26-2011, 05:58 AM
      #8
    Green Broke
    To people asking me if I would buy the foal without seeing it first:
    I don't even know if I'll be buying a foal this year. I told the breeder in my email when the foals hit the ground & I see the one of my dreams.. I'll jump for it.

    Hauling is $1200-$1500. I don't mind. You can't get that quality in Virginia.

    Thank you Allie, for backing me up. Haha, but I've wanted a Mardi foal for years. I don't have the mare to breed, & having a weanling by horses who have proven offspring - to me at least, is a lot better than buying a new mare, trying to breed, and not getting what I want.

    If both these mares foal colts.. I'll be highly disapointed*, although, I've wanted a stallion to start my program.. Too bad I don't have the facilities to house one.

    Does anyone know color genetics? By the looms of the two crosses, what are the possibilities?

    Thanks!
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        01-26-2011, 09:16 PM
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    Green Broke
    Above I meant looks.. And bump?
         
        01-27-2011, 01:39 AM
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    I used the horse color calculator so im not sure how accurate it is, but according to it, with the first cross you had a 50/50 chance of getting a palomino or chestnut. With the second cross there saying that she is also a pally, looks grey to me, but I did the color calculator with palomino and it said you have a 50% chance of palomino, and a 25% chance of cremello and chestnut.
         

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