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    02-24-2014, 08:16 PM
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Weanling
Looking at two stallions..

I have a 14.3hh sorrel blanket Appaloosa mare. She's out of Heza Dreamcatcher and Tinys Little Breez. Dreamfinder, Alias King, Alias Smith and Jones, Tiny Charger, and Depth Charge on her pedigree. She is pretty well built but is small framed. Very smooth through all gaits, great attitude; willing, easy going, sweet. She is a maiden mare and is 10 years old.
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The first stallion I'm looking at is a 4 year old 15.1hh bay roan Quarter Horse stallion. Registered name is Just Fire. His sire is Corona Fire and dam is Just Rite Blue. He is homozygous black, so when breeding your mare to him you will never get a red based colt. He is heterozygous agouti so he can throw a buckskin or bay roan as well as a solid black or a blue roan, he is also heterozygous roan so 50% of the colts he throws will be roans. Which is a plus because I'm a sucker for a color producer!

The second stallion I'm looking at is a 16 year old 15.2hh sorrel Quarter Horse stallion. Registered name is No Compromises. Sire is Takin On The Cash and dam is Special Delivery. He is 1300 pounds and has a speed index of 105. He has proven speed that has passed on to his babies. He has sired AAA race horses, proven barrel and rope horses and all around family horses.

They are both $500 stud fee. I can't get pictures off of the ad but they are both on Barrel Racing at Barrel Horse World, Barrel Horses for Sale, Barrel Racing Forums, Equine Health Articles, Western Tack, and more. I'll attach the links to both of them-
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I'm looking for something that will have enough speed and will to run barrels, but be level headed enough to be a trusty trail/pleasure horse also. My mare is very level headed and easy going, no buck, bite, kick, bolt and barely any spook. She was a 3D barrel horse and that was only running every now and then, and could probably be a nice 2D horse if she would stay sound enough for it. She is consistently lame but is sound for trail and pleasure riding.

Also, if anyone knows Appaloosa's, could you clue me in on if my mare is bred well? She is my first Appaloosa and I'm unsure on who is prominent on her papers.

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    02-24-2014, 08:24 PM
  #2
Trained
I'm sorry but your mare isn't a horse I'd ever breed. She has an extremely upright shoulder. Pastern are extremely upright and short. She is fine boned. Has a long back, weak back. Looks cowhocked. And possibly over at the knee in the front. Her neck is short and coarse. Very coarse through the throat latch and has a very average head.

And her being constantly lame...do you know WHY she is lame? Have you done diagnostic testing? There is a good chance it's coming from her legs as they are below average. Why would you want to reproduce that?

She is not built for barrels at all. And trying to breed a barrel horse out of her is likely to get you 2 unsound horses instead of just 1.
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    02-24-2014, 08:26 PM
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You don't say why your mare is unsound but unless it was from an injury that would really put me off breeding from her.
By the time you've paid out all the costs you could probably go and buy a really nice foal and get the colour you want as a certainty.
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    02-24-2014, 09:36 PM
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Weanling
I agree with jaydee...after stud fees, getting her in foal, vetting etc. You could likely buy a really nice yearling or two year old prospect from proven parents.
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    02-24-2014, 09:39 PM
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Yearling
Also I'm not sure where you got the idea a sorrel and a bay roan can have a buckskin baby but that's not possible. A parent has to have a cream gene for a buckskin to occur
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    02-24-2014, 09:44 PM
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Showing
Could you please explain her consistent lameness? I'm not surprised one little bit - that is not a horse built for soundness. I would never breed her; chances are the baby would end up with the same long weak back, awful pasterns, and upright shoulder.
Buy a prospect. IMO.
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    02-24-2014, 09:46 PM
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I usually don't try to discourage anyone from breeding if they wish to, but I agree with the others regarding the build of your mare.

There is something about her stance, the slightly bucked knees and the sickle hocked stance that says "discomfort" in her front legs, and I think that could be due to her hoof shoing/trimming state. A clearer photo of her standing on firm , level ground, and some close ups of her feet might prove to be helpful for an interesting critique, if you were wanting that.
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    02-25-2014, 12:14 PM
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Weanling
Her hooves were short when I got her. Like, really short. I've only had her since January 15th. She's not really consistently lame, she just acts stiff after rides. I've had a full physical exam and some x rays and they say she is fine. I'm not riding her right now and I'm giving her some supplements to get her hooves grown out so I can get my farrier out to trim and shoe her to see if that helps.
And as for the buckskin thing, that's what his ad said, said he is tested to throw color and no sorrels.
I like the way the mare rides but I'm not a big fan of her hoof situation or how small she is. She was a gift though and I'd feel bad keeping her a month and then telling them she just isn't working out. Although she was given to my friend who then gave her to me.
     
    02-25-2014, 12:18 PM
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Weanling
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    02-25-2014, 01:04 PM
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Weanling
Has she had a pelvic injury as she is out of alignment with muscle wastage? I wouldn't breed from this mare.
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