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        11-05-2012, 11:31 PM
      #11
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    You'll have to ask surround vets. I hope someone from your area can answer that on here. I've heard some mares can break hobbles.
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        11-06-2012, 12:05 AM
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    Foal
    We've never done hand servicing before this is the first year we've really done much breeding. So were still very new with everything that is going on. We've had one mare that has successfully fallen in foal and another that didn't take the first time but they've tried again and the stallion is no longer interested in her. But this mare with the one ovary is the one that we won't to breed the most as she is the most successful.
         
        11-06-2012, 12:36 AM
      #13
    Yearling
    Honestly, if the mare is not properly in season and she is forced to mate, this is akin to rape. So YES she WILL be traumatised.
         
        11-06-2012, 12:38 AM
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    I would absolutely not ever think of letting anyone force service onto a horse. I've seen what damage this can do and believe me, it aint pretty in the slightest... over 10 years later and the horse I know personally that had this happen to her is still not right at all and probably never will be.
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        11-06-2012, 06:57 PM
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    CCH
    Weanling
    Horses don't have the emotions attached to reproduction like humans do. I don't believe they have a concept of "rape" and can't be traumatized like a human can in that manner.

    If the mare cannot have a follicle fully develop to the ovulation stage, then hand covering her, with or without "force" (which I assume to mean hobbles, sedation, or other restraint) won't work anyway. In order to manipulate her to reach ovulation, you would need to administer the correct drugs/hormones under a vet's supervision and have access to an ultrasound to monitor her progress. If you plan on doing that then AI of fresh semen would probably be best.

    I would have the vet check for hormone imbalance prior to trying too. It is possible she isn't producing the correct levels with only one ovary.

    If none of that is the problem, maybe the stallion is too aggressive and she is reacting to his advances in a fearful way because she doesn't understand what he wants. Maiden mares (and some mares in general) don't always have the instinct to stand for mounting. It really is safer for everyone to do AI. When that is not available, you have to think of the handlers' and the animals' safety and determine whether physical/chemical restraint is enough, or if the breeding should be rejected. As a stallion owner, I don't want to take a kick and I certainly don't want my stud to either just as a mare owner doesn't want her mare injured.
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        11-06-2012, 09:12 PM
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    Horses don't have the emotions attached to reproduction like humans do. I don't believe they have a concept of "rape" and can't be traumatized like a human can in that manner. Posted via Mobile Device
    Try telling that to the mare I know who had a service forced on her. She ended up going through a wooden wall trying to get away and her head was ripped open bad enough to show her skull, and her legs got ripped open also. To this day she still has the scars from the ordeal, and she just never come right after that.
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        11-06-2012, 10:44 PM
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    CCH
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    Try telling that to the mare I know who had a service forced on her. She ended up going through a wooden wall trying to get away and her head was ripped open bad enough to show her skull, and her legs got ripped open also. To this day she still has the scars from the ordeal, and she just never come right after that.
    Attempting to escape what she may have perceived as an aggressive horse is not "rape trauma" I'm sure the mare doesn't sit around afraid of being raped again and unable to have normal horse and herd contact. It is still anthropomorphism to say your horse fears rape. The horse fears a situation of being trapped and having to determine fight/flight.

    I'm not advocating unnecessarily restraining mares for breeding and especially not in support of purposely breeding mares who are not in heat. I'm simply saying they have no concept of rape just the concept of getting away from potential danger.

    There will always be the random horse who has issues despite its training just like there are plenty of breeders who have no business breeding sea monkeys let alone 1200lb+ animals.
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        11-06-2012, 11:36 PM
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    I'm sorry but to assume that an animal other than the human animal does not share the same emotions as we do is a lie put in place by scientists who wish to perform experiments such as vivisection without having to feel guilty. It is also used by the church in the assumption that humans are somehow not animals and therefore can be used and abused.

    ALL mammals share the emotions of fear, joy, anger, sadness, mirth etc. Just ask anyone who has seen puppies play - they giggle (a weird snuffling noise), a mare with her foal (LOVE) or conversly a mare who has lost her foal (despair) - a sheep being chased into a truck (fear).

    They don't have the words to put these emotions into 'poetry' as such but don't EVER tell me they don't feel just as we do.

    Never forget, we too are mammals who share the same nervous system as every other mammal.
         
        11-06-2012, 11:54 PM
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    A mare or stallion can have a bad experience and have issues in the breeding shed at a later time afterwards. To assume they have no emotions is a grave mistake. I can't assume the rape thing because I do not speak horse. I watch body language. Its very clear to see fear of a past event in their eyes or actions. They do have emotions whether we come to accept it or not. I talk to my horses and they seem to listen as I always get a response non-verbally.
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        11-07-2012, 05:08 AM
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    Trained
    CCH isn't saying animals don't have emotions - please re-read her post before you start comparing her to "scientists" using vivisection, or the horror of the church. She is simply stating that horses don't have any concept of "rape" like humans do. In humans, it is the single most heinous crime against someone that leaves them alive. It takes everything they value and destroys it. Horses can't think in these complex terms. They would see it as a fearful situation where they can't escape from the "danger". To compare that to the human emotions attached to rape is to denigrate the way human rape survivors feel.
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