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        11-07-2012, 05:29 AM
      #21
    Foal
    I think we're going to see how the hobbles go first, because the owner of the stallion has never done ai before. But I think if she doesn't fall this time then we will do the ai or not put her in foal at all. The vet said she should fall in foal but I'm going to grill him about her "situation" more when I can.
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        11-07-2012, 03:23 PM
      #22
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    When I look at it. Fight or flight. They don't know what "rape" is but they can comprehend fears for the next time or something close to the same event. They I understood her post, it sounded like they couldn't comprehend fearful events. No one can compair horses to humans in those terms because we aren't them and they aren't us. We don't know the true mind of a horse. We can only observe. CCH, I'm sorry if I misunderstood. How we understand our horses minds isn't always the same.
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        11-07-2012, 03:49 PM
      #23
    Yearling
    I sepnt years rescuing and rehabbing abused horses. One of my guys (Persil) is a horse I will never part with as he was so TRAUMATISED he has never got over his past abuse. Even now - around 10 years on he can't cope with more than 3 people around him. He stands behind me and gently holds my fingers with his lips when he is introduced to someone new. He won't let anyone catch him but me. The sound of motorcross bikes puts him in a complete panic. He will do anything I ask of him but I am careful not to push him - IE I would never take him anywhere where there is a lot of people - I did that once and it was a big mistake, he could NOT cope despite really trying hard for me. He's a fabulous little guy who did wonderfully for me in endurance/CTR and he is now retired about to become an Uncle to Merlot's foal.
    Horses; as with all mammals certainly can become traumatised as we do - some of them cope better than others just like us.
    I don't mean to denigrate rape victims but I do feel just as strongly for the abused animals I have rescued.
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        11-07-2012, 04:43 PM
      #24
    CCH
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Merlot    
    I'm sorry but to assume that an animal other than the human animal does not share the same emotions as we do is a lie put in place by scientists who wish to perform experiments such as vivisection without having to feel guilty. It is also used by the church in the assumption that humans are somehow not animals and therefore can be used and abused.

    ALL mammals share the emotions of fear, joy, anger, sadness, mirth etc. Just ask anyone who has seen puppies play - they giggle (a weird snuffling noise), a mare with her foal (LOVE) or conversly a mare who has lost her foal (despair) - a sheep being chased into a truck (fear).

    They don't have the words to put these emotions into 'poetry' as such but don't EVER tell me they don't feel just as we do.

    Never forget, we too are mammals who share the same nervous system as every other mammal.
    Please do not put words into my mouth. I never stated horses don't have feelings or experience pleasure/pain on different levels. I said:
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    Horses don't have the emotions attached to reproduction like humans do. I don't believe they have a concept of "rape" and can't be traumatized like a human can in that manner.
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    Reproduction in *the vast majority* mammals is purely for the survival of the species and not about controlling another by fear. Do not confuse this with dominance mounting between colts or to establish herd hierarchy. Horses do not purposely victimize other horses by singling them out to be "raped".

    That being said this has gone way off topic and is of no help to the original poster, so I will just agree to disagree and leave it at that.
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        11-08-2012, 08:06 PM
      #25
    Yearling
    Not being a horse, I can't say anything for sure on the emotional range thing. I wouldn't think horses would think that "sexual assault" would be any different in the fear factor than, say, being chased by a predator. Then again, none of us are horses so we don't know if there is any difference in mental processing. We just make assumptions of everything. Being a victim of the aforementioned crime, I can say that it is a terrible thing to have to go through and people cope with it differently. Really, who knows what horses feel and think about different types of attacks they are subject to?

    OP, if the mare isn't allowing the stallion to mount her, then I would probably go with AI. Can't help in the financial department, as I don't live in Australia.
         
        11-08-2012, 11:37 PM
      #26
    Foal
    Decided we won't be be putting her in foal as it is to expensive. She wasn't traumatised and were bringing her home. Most likely going to buy a stallion now ourselves and just let her run with him. And see where that goes. If not she will play Polocrosse until she is to old to and then be a kids pony.
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        11-09-2012, 11:01 PM
      #27
    Trained
    I have a mare VERY similar to yours. I highly suggest not breeding her at all(unless you have you own stallion then their is no harm in trying) First off, does she ovulate? If she doesn't ovulate then she will never catch. We have one mare that has only functioning ovary and will not show heat either. She doesn't ovulate at all because her dominate ovary is the one that is no longer functional. We have spent years and thousands ( upwards of $40,000) trying to get this mare in foal. AI is extremly costly, so unless you know for absolutle certian that she is ovulating DO NOT go that route. We finally tried live covering her with our stallion and he would not service her as she never showed any visible signs of heat. My vet suggested that the best chance we have of ever getting a foal out of her is to remove the one non fuctioning ovary and the other should take over. This surgery does not have a great prognosis and it's not a route we are willing to take. She will pass a breeding soundness exam with flying colors, she has no cysts, good blood levels, no endometriosis (sp?), no fluid build up etc. We will be trying herbal supplements with her to see if we have any luck.
         
        11-10-2012, 11:16 PM
      #28
    Foal
    We picked her up yesterday and on the way up we looked at this stallion we have been interested in for a while. We really liked him so on the way home we bought him and put him on the float with the mare. And guess what the sneaky little mare did? Got her home and I don't no if it was love at first sight or whether being on the float bought her on or it might have been that she was back in her own environment with people she knew cause she could smell him, but we got her them home and she was peeing every where so my uncle was like let's see what happens and she backed up to the stallion and let her cover her!!!! So guess we'll wait and see whether or not she took. She'll stay running with him now as we prefer to just let them be rather than hand serve. Another thing I was thinking might have contributed is that the stallion is a lot smaller so he might seem less intimidating to her I don't no. Have your tried anything like this fgranch? It may work. I asked more about it and the man that we had her staying with to breed to his stallion (which didn't work) said she had one ovary which is normal size but the other is only tiny she still has the correct amount of folliculs and that but she silent cycles which means its really hard to tell when she is on or not. Thanks for your help though guys. And I'll keep you posted with how it all goes :) not sure if well preg test her or just wait and see whether she shows signs of gaoling or just wait til she does foal either way not doing ai and she'll just be running with her new lover boy :P
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        11-12-2012, 10:30 AM
      #29
    Yearling
    I hope for her sake you pregnancy check her, so she doesn't possibly die giving birth to twins
         
        11-12-2012, 11:35 AM
      #30
    Trained
    How long was she in with the other stallion? Maybe she just never has a chance to cycle, pretty early in your breeding year isnt it?
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