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    02-23-2013, 05:38 PM
  #31
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Endiku    
Twitching is a 'necessary evil' of the horse world when it comes to dangerous tasks, and involves using a device or your hand to twist a flap of the horse's skin to control it, or to put pressure on/twist it's upper lip. It can be very painful in the wrong hands, but is safe in experienced hands and relatively harmless. It sometimes needs to be done in situations like this or when the vet/needles are involved.
Aaaah - thankyou - have heard it several times in various posts, but I thought it was holding one of their legs up so they couldn't move away oops.
     
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    02-23-2013, 06:05 PM
  #32
Foal
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Originally Posted by Reckyroo    
Aaaah - thankyou - have heard it several times in various posts, but I thought it was holding one of their legs up so they couldn't move away oops.

I've seen twitching done a couple of times, but only in the most extreme of circumstances
     
    02-23-2013, 06:17 PM
  #33
Weanling
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Originally Posted by TexasHorseGirl    
I've seen twitching done a couple of times, but only in the most extreme of circumstances
I'll stick to the leg holding haha

I hope things get better for the little man x he's adorable x
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    02-23-2013, 07:09 PM
  #34
Started
Does the mare even have milk left or is she drying up? Did the foal ever nurse off her? I had an orphan foal we were unable to get a nurse mare,so she was already drinking from bucket. I had read about success in inducing lactation on open mares so we decided to give it a shot with my one mare. She did get some milk but ended up not enough to sustain a baby. In the process we were going to use her as a surrogate mom,for companion & teach horsie manners even if this lactation thing didn't pan out.My mare & her were housed in ajoining stalls & paddock to get use to each other. At time to introduce them & try the nursing thing the vet came out & mare was restrained in hobbles & sedated for first intro.Baby nursed with little objection from mare. The next few nursings My mare had hobbles & I held her as baby nursed.She's squeal a bit but not really get too upset.Vet felt hobbles were the safe way to go till mare was standing quiet. Well mare was good so I stopped the hobbles thing pretty quick & just restrained her by hold her with stud shank.Within a couple days I was able to let my mare & baby together without me holding her.She ended up taking care of baby like it was her foal. We still had to bucket feed baby as mare never did lactate enough milk,although baby did always go to her & suck.Made things easier too when it came to intregate foal to herd as she had a mommy{who was boss mare} to take care of her.
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    02-23-2013, 07:28 PM
  #35
Foal
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does the mare even have milk left or is she drying up? Did the foal ever nurse off her? I had an orphan foal we were unable to get a nurse mare,so she was already drinking from bucket. I had read about success in inducing lactation on open mares so we decided to give it a shot with my one mare. She did get some milk but ended up not enough to sustain a baby. In the process we were going to use her as a surrogate mom,for companion & teach horsie manners even if this lactation thing didn't pan out.My mare & her were housed in ajoining stalls & paddock to get use to each other. At time to introduce them & try the nursing thing the vet came out & mare was restrained in hobbles & sedated for first intro.Baby nursed with little objection from mare. The next few nursings My mare had hobbles & I held her as baby nursed.She's squeal a bit but not really get too upset.Vet felt hobbles were the safe way to go till mare was standing quiet. Well mare was good so I stopped the hobbles thing pretty quick & just restrained her by hold her with stud shank.Within a couple days I was able to let my mare & baby together without me holding her.She ended up taking care of baby like it was her foal. We still had to bucket feed baby as mare never did lactate enough milk,although baby did always go to her & suck.Made things easier too when it came to intregate foal to herd as she had a mommy{who was boss mare} to take care of her.
Aww :) In this case, the mare is producing milk at a normal rate, but she absolutely will not let her baby nurse. She does not want him anywhere near her. As I mentioned previously, she chases him off or lashes out at him. I've read several accounts of mares rejecting their foals initially, but most of these cases settle down after a little bit and the mare accepts the baby. This mare of ours, plainly and simply, just seems to hate this little foal of hers.
     
    02-23-2013, 07:47 PM
  #36
Weanling
Oh my heartbreak!
I would definitely treat the foal as an orphan foal now and give up on dealing with the mare. She has obviously made her mind up and sounds like there is not much left to do with her.
Sending positive thoughts for that little guy!
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    02-23-2013, 08:14 PM
  #37
Green Broke
It sounds like you and your parents are dealing with the situation as best you can, and better than most - very good, sound, educated decisions in the midst of what is a heart-wrenching circumstance. The very best of luck, and he is so absolutely beautiful, by the way! There's no doubt he'll thrive under your tender loving care :)
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    02-23-2013, 08:58 PM
  #38
Trained
I've dealt with 2 rejecting mares. Both times a little Banamine and Ace helped a LOT. With the one mare, she was just being an idiot and was a maiden mare. I gave her the shots and then after about 20 mins brought the foal back to nurse and she tried to kick it away again, I got tough with her and let her know that while that foal MIGHT eat her alive, I would most SURELY do it if the foal didn't get to nurse. Took about twice and she was fine.

The 2nd mare was tougher. She didn't produce much milk and the baby's demands made her sore. She rejected 2 foals prior to mine, for another owner, and when she tried to reject mine, I did the Banamine & Ace thing and she stiil wouldn't allow baby to nurse. We ended up having to supplement with buckets of Foal Lac though to make up for the lack in milk.

The 2nd mare, we made an "Amish Stock" out of hay bales. Basically, we just walled her in with the hay bales and left a small opening for the foal to reach through and be able to reach her teats. We tied up the opposite rear leg and eventually, we hobbled her so that if she kicked she pulled her front foot out from underneath her too. After she upset her balance a few times she quit kicking. We also nose twitched her for the process and eventually, we could bring the foal up for about 10 mins at a time, once an hour, and let the foal drink.

For the 2nd mare, it really wasn't her fault, she just didn't produce a lot of milk, even when we used Domperidone to help her. I still have her, she is a good mom, as long as I supplement her milk with Foal Lac, she now accepts her babies right away and lets them nurse. I just have to make sure the baby doesn't demand so much and so hard that she gets sore.

The first mare, tried to reject a 2nd time, got the snot whipped out of her and she became an excellent mom. Finally got through to her that rejecting wasn't even a possibility. Kind of sounds like what's going on with your mare. You're managing the foal end of the problem real well, but I'd be having a "come to the waters" talk with the mare. If she didn't come back singing, "Glory Hallelujah", I'd sell her, with full disclosure.

This might take some of the work out of getting the foal fed:

Miniature Donkey - Short ASSets Ranch - Miniature Donkeys - My Momma's an Igloo
     
    02-23-2013, 09:40 PM
  #39
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Mare sounds like she has her mind made up.I think pain was the initial issue & her reaction has let her get away with it.Doesn't sound like the issue was forced too much & mare got her way? It might be to late now,but Short of trying the hobbles & sedating to see if she even settles down ,let her see foal isn't going to hurt her doesn't sound there is much else more you can try.Raising the foal as an orphan looks like the the only other alternative. Even though my Girl had a surrogate mom to hang out with,she was still raised on a bucket like an orphan.I weaned her from it at 4 mths.I ended up having to wean twice though,once from the bucket & later from her mom

Eta: the igloo momma is a good concept,i did try. My filly would have no part of taking a nipple though. Ended up when she was a little older & feeds less frequent I got her an oversized dog water bowl dispencer for her milk.worked on Similiar concept :)
     
    02-24-2013, 03:11 AM
  #40
Weanling
This might take some of the work out of getting the foal fed:

Miniature Donkey - Short ASSets Ranch - Miniature Donkeys - My Momma's an Igloo[/QUOTE]

Just read that - wonderful, and the picture is to die for xx
     

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