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Matchmaker-Posh stallion choices

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#1 · (Edited)
I have an APHA registered mare Pieces of Hot Scotch (Posh) who has won points in halter. She is an amazing western pleasure/hunter under saddle mare. She's been bred 4 times in the past and has had 4 foals. Her owners I got her from a couple years ago said it would be a loss if I didn't breed her again.

Well she's gonna be a Mama again :) And I need opinions from you guys!! Who do you think would be best for Posh?



Posh is homozygous black (EE), heterozygous dun (Dd), and heterozygous agouti (Aa). She has a seal brown gene as well. I'm trying for a colored foal (grulla/blue roan/black based) that is made for hunter/western pleasure/trail. Height is important. Health is important. All the studs I have put on here are N/N on all their panels.


First choice: Dynamic Breeze (AQHA, IBHA)-16 hh EE and Dd. He's a gorgeous grulla stallion. He's an all around horse (english and western) and also is a champion for halter through the IBHA. Thing is, I don't want smoky black or bay... and since he's not homozygous for dun, it is possible for them to have either or but grulla or dunskin are most likely to occur, so I don't think I'd have to worry about it. He's perfect height, perfect body shape, tough decision!



Second Choice: My Final Notice(AQHA)-15.3 hh blue roan western pleasure stallion EeRr. This stallion has movement! My Final Notice is probably one of the nicest western pleasure stallions I've seen. He's nearly perfect except he's over my price range, and again, they have possibilities of bay and smoky black...


Third Choice: Jessie and Tivios Kin(AQHA, NFQHA)-15.1 hh grulla stallion. His color is perfect for Posh! They could have 50% chance of his color or 50% chance of a color similar to Posh's. He also has gorgeous hazel eyes! BUT he's too short... And his conformation in his hindquarters looks like it does not match the rest of his body when he's being ridden... So I'm not sure about him. It's so tempting though because he is EEDD.


Fourth Choice: Blazing n Style (AQHA/APHA?)-15.1 hh bay stallion. I don't know much about him because they don't have a website, but Posh's old owner said he'd be good for a western pleasure foal and for height whys. His foals have always been 16 hh or taller so that is exciting to hear... but I'm not sure because he's bay and like I said, I really don't want bay. But he does have good movement and seems well balanced. His foals have turned out nice.
 
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#2 ·
IMO, My Final Notice is the best of all of them. He's a winner, he's produced winners and $1750 is not a large stud fee. If you call them and talk to them about your mare, they may have a discount or 2 they'd give you, most stallion owners do. I have never paid the posted breeding fee for a stallion, ever. All that said, you get what you pay for and the shipping of semen and AI for your mare is going to be expensive. I think we figured around $7500 - 10K to get a foal on the ground from an outside stallion, if things go well and you don't have breeding issues with the mare.
 
#3 ·
Yeah, he really is. All of his offspring have the same movement as him, and he's extremely healthy. My Final Notice is my fave of all of them, Dynamic Breeze is my 2nd fave. Him and MFN are related. I think MFN would be an "uncle" to him. Dynamic in the Dark's offspring seem to come along great.
 
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Also, on No. 4, I wouldn't touch him without a 5 panel test showing him N/N on at least HYPP but you need to know the others too. He's got a lot of Impressive in his lines, which I thought from seeing his name.

Dynamic In The Dark is My Final Notice's father and Dynamic Deluxe's grandsire. You need the 5 panel test on him too, Line bred Poco Bueno, so HERDA is a concern. Your mare has Poco Bueno in her lines too, so you should test her as well, 5 panel and LWO to be on the safe side.
 
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Also, on No. 4, I wouldn't touch him without a 5 panel test showing him N/N on at least HYPP but you need to know the others too. He's got a lot of Impressive in his lines, which I thought from seeing his name.
Yes, all of them are N/N on their 5 panel test. He is not related to Impressive. He's got Zippo Pine Bar, Blazing Hot, Big Investment, Docs Hotrodder in his lines.
 
#35 ·
There is nothing wrong breeding a frame carrier, just as long as the horse they are bred to have tested negative for frame. Frame is a color gene that puts white on a horse with certain characteristics. She is a frame carrier, it is not a disease but is a problem if bred to another frame.

Color calculators work by you putting the information in. If you breed her to another heterozygous dun, you will have a 75% chance of a foal receiving dun, 25% chance of not getting a dun gene. 25% chance does happen often enough but it is part of the gamble. Just like trying to choose what gender the foal will be. You can stack odds in your favor as some stallions produce more of one gender than the other but it is still a gamble.
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#40 ·
We are upset because the foals die a horrible death. The cant poop, and that is a slow painful death to the foal. It is 100% fatal and avoidable. Its not a horrible thing to have a frame positive horse, it just means you need to breed her to a frame negative horse. Lethal White foals are Homozygous for the frame gene, that means both parents need to be heterozygous for the gene.

Now that we all know her Frame status we can recommend a stud that will not only compliment your mare, but result in a live foal. You dont want to waste the money, a year of your mare's life, possibly your mare, and your time for a foal that will die in 72 hours if not euthanized.
 
#43 ·
Op people where ma because the felt deceived. there is a person on this form that had a lethal white foal this year from breeding to frame horses and it was a bit of a sore spot for people. As professional breeders, people on this forum will question the 5 panel testing of a horse for obvious reasons. They don't just pick studs on looks and records, but on if they will produce a healthy foal.

Yeah you wanted to pick one of the 4 studs but maybe someone thought of an even BETTER stud for your mare? Maybe you would have really liked the stud, but if someone suggested a frame stud they would feel horrible (even if you didn't reed her to it) about even suggesting a frame stud for a frame mare.

Dont get angry at people on here, there are people on here who have been breeding for 40+ years and have seen a lot of what happens when breeding. They were trying to give you sound advice and felt deceived when you would not tell them.


Now everyone lets put this behind us and suggest a frame negative stud for the mare?
 
#46 ·
I appreciate you discussing with me, rather than criticizing me. LW is not something to laugh about. I apologize for making people feel deceived. I was trying to prevent commotion but obviously I created more. I am smart enough to know not to breed her to a LWO positive stallion. That's why I'm looking at quarter horses who are not LWO positive. I am up for suggestions, but prefer thoughts on these chosen stallions. I am sorry for the loss. It is a terrible thing. I've seen it happen at the facility too... Poor things can't help it.
 
#53 ·
Like everyone else, I originally posted because between this forum and different facebook pages, I watched the short lives of at least 3 lethal white foals within a couple of weeks. It was entirely heartbreaking to watch. It is absolutely wonderful that you are aware of that risk because the people who bred those foals were not and have had to learn a horrible result the hard way.

As for your color choices for the stallions:

1. Black, brown, brown dun, grullo. 50% chance of frame.

2. Black, brown, brown dun, grullo, blue roan, brown roan, brown dun roan, grullo roan. 50% chance of frame.

3. Grullo, brown dun. 50% chance of frame.

4. I can't find any concrete genetic testing on him. But brown dun overo + bay would be black, bay, brown, grullo, bay dun, brown dun. 50% of frame. And with him it confuses me because he's listed as bay overo on his facebook page, but there is no testing to say which gene he is. He IS N/N for LWO and based on his facial markings, I'd have to say splash. Additionally, the only thing in his pedigree that I can find that would have definite color in QHs is the Skipper W line on his dam's side, which must have been passed up very minimally based on the pictures allbreed has of that line. So if that's the case, you also have a 50% of splash from him. If you're looking for the most white potential, he's probably your best bet.
 
#54 ·
Like everyone else, I originally posted because between this forum and different facebook pages, I watched the short lives of at least 3 lethal white foals within a couple of weeks. It was entirely heartbreaking to watch. It is absolutely wonderful that you are aware of that risk because the people who bred those foals were not and have had to learn a horrible result the hard way.

As for your color choices for the stallions:

1. Black, brown, brown dun, grullo. 50% chance of frame.

2. Black, brown, brown dun, grullo, blue roan, brown roan, brown dun roan, grullo roan. 50% chance of frame.

3. Grullo, brown dun. 50% chance of frame.

4. I can't find any concrete genetic testing on him. But brown dun overo + bay would be black, bay, brown, grullo, bay dun, brown dun. 50% of frame. And with him it confuses me because he's listed as bay overo on his facebook page, but there is no testing to say which gene he is. He IS N/N for LWO and based on his facial markings, I'd have to say splash. Additionally, the only thing in his pedigree that I can find that would have definite color in QHs is the Skipper W line on his dam's side, which must have been passed up very minimally based on the pictures allbreed has of that line. So if that's the case, you also have a 50% of splash from him. If you're looking for the most white potential, he's probably your best bet.
Sounds good. Thanks for finding some info on the bay. I could've asked my friend, but he really wasn't an interest to me. I think I'm going to go with Dynamic Breeze or My Final Notice. I like Dynamic Breeze's slick look. Him and Posh's body build/confirmation should match well together. They are sending some videos of him. His show career was ended abruptly... he fractured his shoulder in his younger years, but he was previously shown in halter and doing very well. From what it sounds like, he's really nice. I'm going to ask for references so I can go on a search for his offspring.
 
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