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post #11 of 45 Old 07-02-2010, 11:32 AM
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Draft, this subject is a rather sore one for me right now, because a dear friend of mine lost both her mare and foal about a month ago.

This was a well planned, well thought out breeding, and the foal was going to be born to someone who wanted it and had plans for its future.

When the mare went into labor, the baby presented crown first. They took the mare to the closest vet hospital, but the foal suffocated before they could get it out, and the mare had extensive nerve damage and had to be euthed.

My friend is devastated and full of guilt. She keeps saying if she hadn't bred the horse, the mare wouldn't be dead now. I can only offer sympathy and a shoulder upon which to cry.

It was a needless, senseless death, but one that every mare owner has to be prepared to face if they want to breed.
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post #12 of 45 Old 07-02-2010, 12:52 PM Thread Starter
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Speed Racer, I am so very sorry for your friends loss. It is stories just like that that chill me to the bone. Losing my girl like that would devastate me.

This pic shows her temperament best... yes I know, barefoot kids, one without a helmet- very bad- it was just a walk around the pasture on a 3 yr old's birthday. =) I had a sidewalker who stepped away for the picture.
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Spent a whole hour today laying in a pasture, waiting for a sparkling vampire to show up. Alas, I woke up and looked over, only to find a mound of horse crap. Sigh.
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Draft, this subject is a rather sore one for me right now, because a dear friend of mine lost both her mare and foal about a month ago.

This was a well planned, well thought out breeding, and the foal was going to be born to someone who wanted it and had plans for its future.

When the mare went into labor, the baby presented crown first. They took the mare to the closest vet hospital, but the foal suffocated before they could get it out, and the mare had extensive nerve damage and had to be euthed.

My friend is devastated and full of guilt. She keeps saying if she hadn't bred the horse, the mare wouldn't be dead now. I can only offer sympathy and a shoulder upon which to cry.

It was a needless, senseless death, but one that every mare owner has to be prepared to face if they want to breed.
This is what scares me too. I bought a mare already bred, and am expecting my first foal anytime now. I tell Izzy (my mare) just to get through this pregnancy okay and she can retire and be a trail horse forever after. Just one more time and stay healthy and that's all she has to do and she can retire from the breeding business (she has had nine foals before I bought her- poor girl!). I really want this baby, but first and foremost I just want Isabelle healthy. I bought her as a trail horse, not a broodmare, but as it turns out she was carrying a foal as well. I am so excited, but a bit scared at the same time. Sigh!
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post #14 of 45 Old 07-02-2010, 08:01 PM
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I will also say, what someone else said, and that it's not your responsibility to clean up the world's messes. Save as many as you can, because you love horses and don't want them to end up bad places.

But if you want to breed your own mare and you are responsible (which I can tell you are) then why should only the irresponsible people get to have foals? I think responsible people should be able to have a foal now and then too, not just folks who are pumping them out for money or because they think they are cute. That's my opinion.
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Well.... they are so ****ed cute. =)

But I get your drift- I've always just done rescue, taking the unwanted and making them wanted once again. I've never had a "quality" horse, as far as breeding or registration or what not- until Belle.

Spent a whole hour today laying in a pasture, waiting for a sparkling vampire to show up. Alas, I woke up and looked over, only to find a mound of horse crap. Sigh.
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post #16 of 45 Old 07-02-2010, 08:20 PM
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I think you are making a responsible and informed decision. That right there is why many people get shot down for wanting to breed their mare. One old thread in particular sticks in my mind. This person had a mare than was older but you couldn't ride her because she wasn't sound for some unknown reason, possibly navicular. And even when she was sound, she would buck when you tried to ride her. She was an okay looking mare but nothing that screamed (or even whispered) "breed me". The mare was a rescue and had no papers and no accomplishments to speak of, even being saddle broke. Those are the types of people that make me cringe.

You know horses and know enough to make a good decision about what to breed your mare to and if you want to take the risk when the time comes. If I owned your mare and was looking to breed, I would probably look for performance lines because they would cross well with your mare and they are the most versatile. As for re-sale value if it should come to that. It is so much easier to place a horse that has some good solid training, which I know the baby will end up with, than one that has been a pasture mustang for 3 years and never seen a halter. I have 2 babies right now that are mutts and though I do plan to forever keep at least one of them, the other would not be sold without solid training because solid training raises the chances of a solid home. But then again, I am simply stating facts that you already know all too well.

I think if you want to breed your mare, that's awesome and you will choose the right stally for her. Did I mention that I used to have 2 sons of Watch Joe Jack and I absolutely adore the line? If you do breed her and end up needing a place to re-home the foal, look toward TX.

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I'm going to favorite this thread so the next time someone complains that all we "anti-breeding bandwagon" ever do is shoot people down, I can post this link! It's an absolute perfect example of "BREEDING - DOIN' IT RIGHT"! And we don't even have pics of the mare!

I have known people with some fantastic looking horses, and the idea of them breeding just gives me a headache! I'd rather see a dozen educated and responsible people breed an average mare then one idiot breed a national champion, let me tell you!

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This is why I chose to buy a gelding...no temptation to breed him and even if I wanted to breed him because he's so great and all that...well, I can't ha ha.
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post #19 of 45 Old 07-02-2010, 09:35 PM
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This is why I chose to buy a gelding...no temptation to breed him and even if I wanted to breed him because he's so great and all that...well, I can't ha ha.
Have you considered cloning? (jk!)
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Smrobs, I know you like the Watch Joe Jack lines- I LOVE the Baron Bell lines. I wish I had photos of Belle's sire and dam, that would be interesting, but I do believe her mother is dead now, and her father was never bred much- I believe he had 6-7 foals sired in his lifetime. I wish I could figure out how to calculate foundation breeding, I would love to know her percentage.

I had a friend offer me the use of her 3 yr old stally for free to see how the foal turned out, I mean after all he's a perlino so I am guaranteed color blah blah blah but her colt is UGLY! He should be gelded. He has a teeny weeny head. It looks like you jammed a welshie head onto a quarter horse body. Tiny feet, and just ugly. I was like... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO run fast.

Spent a whole hour today laying in a pasture, waiting for a sparkling vampire to show up. Alas, I woke up and looked over, only to find a mound of horse crap. Sigh.
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