Is my 13yr old miniature mare too old to have her first foal?
 
 

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Is my 13yr old miniature mare too old to have her first foal?

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    06-06-2013, 02:24 AM
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Foal
Is my 13yr old miniature mare too old to have her first foal?

I have a 13yr old 8.3hh miniature mare, Rosie.
I have recently moved to new grazing and there is a stallion living next door. I have always liked the idea of breeding a foal for miniature showing and now I have the opportunity to do so.
Do you think Rosie is too old to be having her first foal? She is in excellent health and frequently gallops around the paddock. I also use her as a lead rein pony and harness pony and she is quiet and sane.
She wins in the show ring.
The stallion is the same size as her or a little smaller.
     
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    06-06-2013, 10:25 AM
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Weanling
Others will come on here and warn you about all sorts of things. They will be very blunt and try not to take it personally. They will also tell you about all the minis that need to be rescued that are already on the ground. I am not an expert but would recommend getting her completely checked out by the vet. If he clears her, I don't see why she couldn't.

After you make the decision to do it if she's cleared, do a lot of research and ask a lot of questions if you have them and are not experienced with breeding. Minis are prone to have more foaling problems so you do need to be aware of them. Good luck!
     
    06-06-2013, 12:41 PM
  #3
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I agree. Waaaaay too many Minis needing homes, in rescue and at auctions for fetching as little as $2!!!! Even some with very respectable show records, fetching almost nothing.

Of course if your mare is in good hard condition and not overweight, she could be bred. With Minis, being bred, does necessarily mean a non-eventful foaling. Last year I don't even remember, how many very long-time knowledgeable Mini breeders, lost their mares and foals during foaling. I believe we had one lady lost a foal just yesterday on this forum somewhere.

If you value your mare, I'd probably suggest joining the Li'l beginnings Mini forum and looking through the thousands of sales ads there. No doubt you could find a good one within your budget.

And of course, breeding to a stud next door because he is handy, is seldom a good choice. He could be completely the wrong choice for your mare. You would have to make sure neither the mare and/or stallion, carries Frame. Tons of Minis do carry it, even if they appear solid. You would have to make sure both registration papers are in order and that they are registered within the same registration association etc. You will have to honestly evaluate both, as to their fauls and make sure you are not doubling up on them. Lots to consider to truly wish to bring another Mini into the world.

Have you pictures of the possible sire and dam? There are several Mini owners here, who would be willing to give their thoughts.

Lizzie
     
    06-06-2013, 02:31 PM
  #4
Yearling
Feathered Feet, I'd like you to point me in the direction of these $2 minis! They don't go for less that $400-500 around here, usually more. And that's IF you can find them. There are maybe two for sale in my area, and they are not of a decent quality. Heck there was only one or two that ran through Camelot last night, and for almost $400 I believe. For this area, that is a GOOD price.

I personally would NOT breed your mare, due to the fact that she's older and minis have problems to begin with. If you are dead set on it, make absolute certain you do your research on bloodlines, conformation, health issues, genetic diseases, etc.
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    06-06-2013, 02:39 PM
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I believe it was on this very forum, a few months ago, that someone reported back from one of the large auctions. They had seen Minis go for $2 and I think another, for $4. Of course, you can find them often for free.

Over the last few years, I cannot even count, the number of people I have seen on forums, who announced they had just been given a free Mini. And of course, always plenty of those who have been given free full size horses. This is unfortunately the current, difficult equine economy.

Just yesterday on our local news, someone offered to adopt (free) a dreadfully starved mare, found wandering on our roads. Obviously nobody was ever going to come forward to claim her. Beautiful girl too.

Lizzie
     
    06-06-2013, 03:06 PM
  #6
Started
Did a quick internet search for free Minis. The very first one I found was in Pa. Then there was a whole herd which needed quick homes. Not the first entire herd I've heard of lately, needing homes quickly. Tons in the many Min rescues.

Minis are being way over-bred and too many out there being starved, dumped, not fed properly and needing homes.

Lizzie
     
    06-06-2013, 03:14 PM
  #7
Yearling
Just because the stud is next door, please don't breed her unless you do research on her AND the stud.

Too many mini's are dwarfed, horribly conformed etc. Many people who breed minis end up with red bag births.

If you want a mini to show, I'd go the cheaper route and buy a beautiful show quality mini already on the ground with papers/lines to back it up.
     
    06-06-2013, 07:55 PM
  #8
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I don't know much about mini's we have family friends who breed and show quite well with them. I know that mini's are known for difficulty delivering. I know that registration is dependent on height. A class is horses less than 34 inches at maturity while class B are 34 to 38 inches tall. So if your horse or your stallion are taller than 38 inches its not worth breeding them because the foal can't be registered. Which means you get this sort of wonky height horse that can be harder to find a home for. People want little mini's not nearly pony sized mini's. There are miniature horse lines that are more valued than others. If you mini has good show lines and a significant win record it might be worth considering than the foal may be worth it. If there are no big players (look at the names on the big mini shows in Texas and Kentucky) than I would not consider it.

Than based on your description of your mini as a maiden I would have pause. Maiden pregnancy in an older mare can be a challenge and increase risk. A breeding soundness exam may be of use; however, the hand to horse size is significantly in favor of the horse. Which means that your diagnostics and ability to fix problems is limited. Which means that if your mare has a problem during delivery there is a risk of loosing the mare.
     
    06-06-2013, 09:58 PM
  #9
Foal
Thankyou for all your help and comments.
I live in Christchurch New Zealand and I have not seen minis for free yet!!!
My mare is 34 3/4 inches so she is a cat B and the stallion is the same height, my mare has been cleared by the vet and is fully registered.
The stallion looks to be in good health and has very food conformation apart from a large stallion crest.
The stallion is a very pretty bay and my mare is palimino so I think the foal would be quite pretty.
Here in chch, I could pay around $1200 for a show miniature which is a little much for me at the moment.
     
    06-06-2013, 10:24 PM
  #10
Yearling
It'll cost you that much in vetting, scanning for twins, shots and feed to carry the foal to term. I wish you luck in whatever you choose
     

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