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    05-24-2010, 03:05 AM
I had a gelding that I know had both testicles removed because I saw the vet throw them to my dog and he would breed mares into his twenties. He was gelded when he was two but not until he had bred a mare once.
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    05-24-2010, 09:42 AM
I'd bet cryptorchid - either both and someone just assumed he was gelded, or one and whoever gelded him didn't locate both testes (which is pretty irresponsible) and only removed one. A friend of mine bought a "hard to handle" gelding that turned out to be a cryptorchid, so it happens. Like Kevin said, he is almost definitely sterile, essentially "shooting blanks". Even though you are mostly concerned with breeding ability, rather than behavior, it is still best to remove the undescended testicle(s) because they are more likely to develop testicular cancer.

Good Luck!
    05-24-2010, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by corinowalk    
Indy, How did you find out that your gelding was proud cut? Did they just look or was there a blood test. I know that he was gelded pretty late and whether or not he was bred before he was gelded is unknown. This whole situation has me pretty paranoid about his breeder who said only that he was gelded late hoping to promote growth (he is QH and only matured to around 14.1) I am wondering now if a. He was gelded late because he threw solid colored foals (they 'specialize' in paint QH) or b. He never dropped the other teste and they had the vet do what he could in the field.
I guess I shouldn't have used the term "proud cut" because I don't know that that is true. Around here "proud cut" is more a colloquial term used to describe any gelding with excessively studdy behaviors, but really it's improper usage. The term is supposed to apply to incorrect gelding, when the spermatic cord is not also crushed. Twister had been used as a breeding stallion and gelded late - however I got all his medical records when I had purchased him and knew he had been gelded by a vet I know well and respect so I doubt the procedure was done incorrectly. He just retained behaviors - no doubt due to his late gelding.

My current gelding Claymore is the same in some ways - although he only rarely mounts the mares, he does frequently drop and hover around the girls when they are in heat. He was also used as a breeding stallion until age 6, I know he was gelded as that was one of the requirements I insisted upon before purchasing him, I got the vet records and he was still healing from his gelding when I got him.

I do not know about the assumption that a cryptorchid being unable to produce sperm - since cryptorchidism is an autosomal sex-linked recessive gene, (passed father to son) I assume SOME of them can still breed.
    05-24-2010, 11:29 AM
I know that some cryptorchids can breed. Bey Shah was a cryptorchid and he had over a 1,000 foals.
    05-24-2010, 12:52 PM
One of the breeders I know in my area. Kept a stud who was completley cryptorchid (both testes) in with her mares. Because she was told he was sterile. However... that stud now has 5 bouncing babies. So horses with cryptorchids can reproduce.
    05-24-2010, 02:32 PM
Originally Posted by Cowgirl140ty    
One of the breeders I know in my area. Kept a stud who was completley cryptorchid (both testes) in with her mares. Because she was told he was sterile. However... that stud now has 5 bouncing babies. So horses with cryptorchids can reproduce.
They must have had only one retained testicle because it is not possible for a horse with two retained testicles to settle a mare. If one testicle is descended then there can be enough viable sperm to get a mare in foal.

I could be wrong, there's a first time for everything.
    05-24-2010, 04:20 PM
When I bought my horse he was a colt and was over a year old with only one desended testie. So naturally I freaked out and read up about crypts. As far as I gathered from various sites and vet books, a crypt cannot breed unless one testicle is dropped. If the testicle is inside the body teperature kills the sperm, also horomone levels increase and crypts are usually worse mannered then studs. If your guy is a crypt its possibe to get the other testical easily if its at least semi dropped. When a colt drops a ring closes inside them so that the testies cannot go back into the body. If its on the other side of the ring he will have to have major surgery to remove it. Like someone else said, cancer is high risk as well as some other health issues if its left. It couldnt hurt to have the mares looked at just in case though, miracles happen. Even the unwanted ones ha ha. Best of luck!
    05-24-2010, 06:56 PM
Yes, Bey Shah had one dropped testicle, the other one was up. I think you're right, EllaEnchanted about crypts.
    05-24-2010, 09:30 PM
Sometimes the term cryptorchid is used for one OR 2 testicles "up"-- the horse is either a bilateral crypt (one up) or a unilateral crypt (2 up). However it is more immediately descriptive to call a horse with only one "up" a monorchid.

It SHOULD be impossbile for a unilateral crypt, or a horse who was a monorchid who has had the dropped testicle removed, to impregnate a mare. However that would depend on whether the remaining testicle is dropped enough to produce viable sperm.
    05-24-2010, 09:44 PM
Originally Posted by Juna    
Yes, Bey Shah had one dropped testicle, the other one was up. I think you're right, EllaEnchanted about crypts.
It's quite irresponsible to breed a cryptorchid as it is hereditary.

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