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post #11 of 271 Old 12-31-2012, 08:46 AM
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I gave advice to some who needed to measure for a blanket for the stallion. He needs a blanket because he is in a paddock with no shelter because he cannot run in with the herd. It would be cheaper just to geld him and toss him out with the other horses, IMO. They don't breed him, and he sits in his paddock all day for a majority of the year. I'm fairly sure he's grade, and not even impressive to look at. (I've seen him before, and the fact I don't vividly remember anything about him generally means there was nothing to remember.)

Some people, I swear. They don't breed him, but they won't cut him. Only times he gets mares is when he breaks the fence down. A few years ago he even covered an old mare who died in result of the pregnancy. The horses are in decent shape and have food and water, and ample shelter (aside from the stud) but I think a little more responsibility is in order.

I have a foal on the way, but the mare was already bred before I got her, and she is getting the care that she needs, not being left in the boonies to fend for herself.
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post #12 of 271 Old 12-31-2012, 09:05 PM
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Another irk, a stallion owner who brings drama into everything, and a stud owner who breeds everything with a uterus just cause..no goals, no training, can't catch their horses, every stud 'ad' picture is the horse just running lose in the field. Not impressive. Show me studlykins under saddle, with minimal gadgets and a great start under his belt. THAT is a great start.
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post #13 of 271 Old 01-01-2013, 08:44 AM
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Another way to see it

I'll sit on the other side of the fence here for a moment.

This statement is not to say I don't agree with the original post to a degree.

However, I will say the following; it IS the professional type breeders who have made some big dollars that have continued to breed HYPP positive horses. Halter horses that look like some kind of ... I don't even know what. It IS the breeders that have reduced the Morgan to an Arab wannabe and it IS the breeders that have turned the Arabian into some type of giraffe looking very small muzzled thing I don't even recognize. Do they do this because that's what "wins" and brings them money? To a degree I believe, yes. But I do think as a "breeder" you should take some responsibility by refusing to breed according to what wins but maintain your ethics by breeding according to the health and well being of the breed of your choice.

Keeping this in mind, do we really have a right to be so judgemental? Food for thought anyway. Take it how you will. Do keep in mind this is only my take and opinion on things and as well all know, everyone has one. ;)
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post #14 of 271 Old 01-01-2013, 09:17 AM
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When we gelded my boy Djinn I never changed his registration papers from "Stallion" to "Gelding." Stallion just sounds so much more impressive... Since I never showed him, I figured nobody would care, and nobody did.
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post #15 of 271 Old 01-01-2013, 09:19 AM
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Gah it really get me when people say "I want to experience having a foal"
Its why I have one of my horses, the previous owner wanted that. They were irresponsible and the filly had to suffer. She has a chunk of bone missing in her face and only one eye due to an accident in a over crowded field. She was taken from her mother around one month old due to the injury, her socialization skills with other horses was terrible.
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post #16 of 271 Old 01-01-2013, 10:51 AM Thread Starter
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I'll sit on the other side of the fence here for a moment.

This statement is not to say I don't agree with the original post to a degree.

However, I will say the following; it IS the professional type breeders who have made some big dollars that have continued to breed HYPP positive horses. Halter horses that look like some kind of ... I don't even know what. It IS the breeders that have reduced the Morgan to an Arab wannabe and it IS the breeders that have turned the Arabian into some type of giraffe looking very small muzzled thing I don't even recognize. Do they do this because that's what "wins" and brings them money? To a degree I believe, yes. But I do think as a "breeder" you should take some responsibility by refusing to breed according to what wins but maintain your ethics by breeding according to the health and well being of the breed of your choice.

Keeping this in mind, do we really have a right to be so judgemental? Food for thought anyway. Take it how you will. Do keep in mind this is only my take and opinion on things and as well all know, everyone has one. ;)
Actually, I completely agree with you. To me, there are two main categories of people who just need to stop -backyard breeders and breeders that "know what they're doing", but continue to breed horses that don't help the breed. Hence the comment that the breeding should be left to those dedicated to bettering the world of horses and know what, how, and why they're breeding to achieve that. And, sometimes, that includes not breeding. For instance, a friend of mine who successfully bred Arabians for years, but gelded her stud when the economy crashed for both her and the horse's sake. She cried about it for weeks, but it was the right thing to do. Not only would it have not been good for her finances to keep producing horses, but there were no homes for them our any other horse to go to.

I figure it's easier to dissuade the people who don't have their livelihood invested in breeding horses that shouldn't be bred.
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post #17 of 271 Old 01-01-2013, 11:31 AM
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I hate the "improve the breed" crap.. howabout some keep the breed the way it is ? Wanna make a new horse ? Call it something else. Pro breeders concerned with shows are going to breed to win. If they pick ethics they will go broke. They breed HYPP positive horses because that gene is linked to the roidhead freak look that wins halter shows. Course finaly a bit of lip service to the problem.
I take exception to the "Only breed if its wins at a show" stuff. The heck with Shows, I see nothing going on at shows that places emphasis on things I find important on a horse. BBBCrone, brought up some good points, shows are one person or group deciding what a horse should be and are creating new horses that don't do what the breed was originally meant for.
Seems we have peopel here who think the only reason you should possibly own a horse is to take it to a show. Well some of us actually ride our horses, even if people arnt looking.

But until the glut of horses dries up, I don't see the point of breeding much of anything. Show or not.
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This is where I've purposely left "improving the breed" vague because people have different opinions of what that means. I agree, Joe, that horses should be ridable and useful, not just win at shows. I think it's sad when there's such a disconnect between what's considered "show" traits and whats are actually "useful" traits - isn't the whole point of competition to show what's best, not what's most exotic?

"Improving the breed" to me means breeding out the harmful traits and genetics like HYPP. It means to strengthen a horse and make it more useful for what it's meant to do, like quarter horses being bred for a powerful and agile body that has a lower center of gravity, which makes them more able to get low and work cows. It means breeding better bone and stronger backs. In every case, it means breeding horses together that will make up for one another's faults both physically and mentally.

Unfortunately, the show world has forgotten what actually makes a good horse, it seems. Which is why I don't want to show anymore and love endurance. I can freaking ride a horse, take care of it, and it can do what it was meant to do and do it without any sort of drugs or alterations. Finally, a type of competition that rewards horses and riders for something useful.

For those of you who do show, and do it with horses that can actually DO something and do it well without having to be enthralled in gadgets and pumped full of drugs, more power to you. I just couldn't stand all those people who were willing to do anything for a ribbon.
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post #19 of 271 Old 01-01-2013, 03:19 PM
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Oh theres money in the horse buisness just ask the kill buyers with the US market opening back up soon they'll be making even more buying upp all these unwanted horses up cheap putting some fat on them then haul them across the borders to feed lots and hold your hand out for your cshthose guys don't have to work a full time job because they make plenty in the horse buisness
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post #20 of 271 Old 01-01-2013, 05:08 PM
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^good point

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