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    01-01-2013, 05:19 PM
  #21
Weanling
In reality once the slaughter market opens back up here there will be a place to unload all the unwanted horses once this happens imo the market will go back up the closing of the US slaughter is imo what crashed the horse market. Those who breed responsibly shouldnt be punished because they still have a market for their horses and most of your big time breeders have cut own on their breeding so in the future when we thin out all these unwanted train wreck bred horses we will have a shortage of the good ones
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    01-01-2013, 05:23 PM
  #22
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OP - great comments
I can't figure out why its taking some people so long to figure out that the horse market is dead in the water unless you have something that's perfect, proven and winning ribbons its hard to give away never mind sell
Way too many amateurs breeding from poor quality stock and then having no clue as to how to care for them and train them
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    01-01-2013, 05:24 PM
  #23
Yearling
It's not only 'big' breeders. It's idiot breeders with no discernible breed goals. It's the 'ermagerd' I have a black stud!!!' and the 'ermagerd my ponehs have a working uterus' and the people who buy a stud just to brag about it, or the ones who buy a horse with one good ancestor 5 or 6 generations back, barely on the paper, who are also to blame. We can see how many 'big' breeders pump out horses, I still worry about the morons breeding willy nilly with NO market, the people picking up cheap horses and breeding them just because they think they'll suddenly have a market (which they wont) We have NO clue, how many small time idiot breeders are pumping out horses, THAT scares me worse than the big breeders.
     
    01-01-2013, 05:34 PM
  #24
Weanling
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Originally Posted by MsBHavin    
It's not only 'big' breeders. It's idiot breeders with no discernible breed goals. It's the 'ermagerd' I have a black stud!!!' and the 'ermagerd my ponehs have a working uterus' and the people who buy a stud just to brag about it, or the ones who buy a horse with one good ancestor 5 or 6 generations back, barely on the paper, who are also to blame. We can see how many 'big' breeders pump out horses, I still worry about the morons breeding willy nilly with NO market, the people picking up cheap horses and breeding them just because they think they'll suddenly have a market (which they wont) We have NO clue, how many small time idiot breeders are pumping out horses, THAT scares me worse than the big breeders.
I agree I see so many here in Kentucky alone we have the TB industry and a decent QH and saddlebred breeders then you take these inbreds breeding those jug headed conformational train wrecks because it might gait and if it don't we'll torture it until it does nothing is registered and those that are shouldnt be its crazy hell they shouldnt be reproducing themselves let alone horses.
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    01-01-2013, 05:46 PM
  #25
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Originally Posted by LuvMyPerlinoQH    
In reality once the slaughter market opens back up here there will be a place to unload all the unwanted horses once this happens imo the market will go back up the closing of the US slaughter is imo what crashed the horse market. Those who breed responsibly shouldnt be punished because they still have a market for their horses and most of your big time breeders have cut own on their breeding so in the future when we thin out all these unwanted train wreck bred horses we will have a shortage of the good ones
If you are a good breeder IMO then with or without slaughter you should be fine. Less people are spending money on horses because for most of us they are a hobby not something we absolutely need. Our economy is low so every thing is suffering. All slaughter does is gives irresponsible owners a place to dump their horses.
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    01-01-2013, 05:49 PM
  #26
Foal
If only we were gods and could stop all the over breeding of all animals(including us). It would fix so much. I can dream right?
     
    01-01-2013, 07:09 PM
  #27
Trained
A good sound breeding operation that focuses on quality not quantitiy will always have a market for their foals.
.I am willing to keep a foal for as long as I need to find it a good home.
My family has for generations earned a good reputation for breeding good quality horses. We deal honestly with our buyers.
I also do not inflate the price of the horse and will only budge a little on the price.
I do not breed every mare I own each year.. they are chosen for a purpose and bred accordingly. I already have buyers interested in the 3 foals that I am expecting this year.
The market will improve and those that have earned a good reputation should do well.
The prolonged drought that has affected the Southwest has also forced many owners to curtail their breeding operations.
Once we revover form this natural disaster those breeders will buy more bloodstock to replace the ones sold due to lack of grazing. Shalom
     
    01-01-2013, 09:10 PM
  #28
Yearling
Speaking of breeders who breed high quality horses still being able to breed and make money - another acquaintance of mine owns a very well known breeding operation for endurance Arabians. I took a look at her horses when I was trying to find an endurance horse, and her unbroken babies were 2-3x the cost of any of the good and at least green broke horses I was looking at. Thing is, she was almost sold out of that year's foals, too. Many of her stock could justifiably be foundation sires and broodmares for future breeders. Her horses have a reputation, and riders from all across the country (and even from other countries) recognize her quality and pay big bucks to get it. Sure things have been tighter during this crappy economy, especially in the horse world, but she still manages to make a decent income because she's built herself up breeding only the best for over half a century. Every pairing is made with extreme attention to detail and decades of knowledge. There is no "I wonder what the foal will be like" - she knows what she's going to get because she paired the sire and dam for something very specific and knows the traits that each tend to produce. And the win records of her horses prove she's got something great and rare with her program.

That is a breeder I admire, and her horses will always have homes.

(By the way, she HATES halter Arabs - they're not good for anything as far as she's concerned!)
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    01-01-2013, 09:37 PM
  #29
Weanling
Speaking of idiots breeding I have a friend with a well known reining stallion he won the reining worlds triple crown this yr well she has a few of his babies on the ground all 3 she hadnt offered for sale but someone messaged her thru facebook wanting info on the foals they were wanting to purchase one then after a few days they decided they didnt like the bald faces on the foals so they wanted to breed their mare to her stallion um the foals bald faces came from daddy whom has the prettiest bald face and ya can't miss it lol
     
    01-01-2013, 09:51 PM
  #30
Weanling
Geeze...you guys are sucking the wind out of my excitement...LOL...some good points made tho...I purchased my mare already bred...I knew there was a chance she was...but it wasnt confirmed until 4 months later...Im just small potatoes on a small family farm and plan to raise the foal for life, along with my small herd of 3...and if its a colt...he will be gelded...and if its a filly...she will be left alone...and the mother will not be rebred....I do think there is an outrageous amount of horses already out there with no hope of being loved and cared for by the same heart for life....no matter what the bloodlines...points...etc are...and its a **** shame...so I do believe it is our responsability as horse owners to make sure that we know what we are getting into...and can commit to the consequences of our decisions....so ya...Im happy with my decision...and am committed...therefore...Im pumped!!!
     

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