My mare broke out in sores after breeding?

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    07-17-2012, 05:49 AM
My mare broke out in sores after breeding?

So I picked up my mare from the breeder on Thursday, I wiped down the 'yucks' (opted for live cover) that day and she was a bit naughty about letting me do it but I insisted. She has been funny about people messing with her back end since the breeding and I have wrongly assumed that was because the whole experience freaked her out a bit.

I have been scratching her butt and back legs every day to get her use to it. Well today I went a step further I was going to bathe her on the next sunny day (it's been a bit cold) and that was today. When I lifted up her tail she was covered in sores. I am a bit freaked out about the whole thing. Immediately tried to get a hold of our old vet which of course he didn't pick up (he can be very hard to get a hold of). I then called the stallions owner and the breeder to inform them what was going on. I am just wondering if anyone else has any experience with this.

The stallion is new to this state and she is the first mare he has covered up here. The breeder has tons of knowledge and experience. But she doesn't know what is going on can only tell me that the stallion has nothing on him. And that there are no other horses on her farm showing any signs of this.

What it looks like: well the whole area is covered in bumps starting even to go down her legs some of the bigger ones look like they have burst open and looks like they have puss of some sort coming out. She is also putting out a little bit of a discharge but I was told that was normal after breeding. Now from the research I have done the closest I could come to the description of what she has is EHV-3 Equine herpes virus. That description from multiple sites is pretty dead on, and it also often doesn't show on the stud you don't know about it until the mare breaks out. Won't know of course until we see the vet.

This is my first time breeding one of my horses I have been around it but never gone into depth because I have never bred my own horse I have always opted to buy instead. I figured I had enough experience having been there for the birthing and breaking of many of the family foals. Was not however on any level prepared for any of this. I didn't even think to ask if the stud had been tested for any diseases I just figured of course he has these are some of the most knowledgeable breeders in this state. I am however pretty sure my husband asked and was told that he didn't have anything.

Any advice or ideas would be most appreciated.

Oh yeah it states I should post why I am breeding. Magic competes in extreme trail, always places in top 5. She took all around for one of my students at one of last years western shows. She is also extremely versatile, jumps over 5 feet no issue, she rides English or western, knows basic dressage (flying lead changes can do a trotting pirouette although my aunt laughs at what she calls our attempts to make my pony dance.) Western rein necks, leg ques and body ques. She is smart she learns quick and she is a solid horse. I am breeding her to get one like her but hopefully improve the neck and a little taller, the mount will be trained for my husband if it is a colt and sold if it is a mare. We already have interested parties lined up.
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    07-17-2012, 11:03 AM
Unfortunately the stallion may not show any visible lesions. I would have the vet out ASAP. If she has EHV-3 I would be PISSED as the only way to get it is through sexual contact as far as I know. IF that is what she has, she will be a carrier for the disease for the rest of her life.

Anyways, get the vet out like now to verify or disprove what she has and then go from there.
    07-17-2012, 06:07 PM
ON the nose too

Actually they can get them on their nose and pass them too each other I have my girls in different pens now. Just got off the phone with the vet and they are thinking that is what it is too but need to confirm.
    07-17-2012, 06:12 PM
I would be pissed... For sure.
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    07-17-2012, 06:22 PM
My first thought was "gee that doesn't seem like a long enough incubation time" Thanks to the good 'ol Merck Vet Manual though, the sores appear 4-8 days post breeding.

I would advise having them swabbed and then sent to a lab for confirmation of what the sores are. Take photos and get a vet report. The problem is though that your breeding contract probably includes a waiver of liability for things like this (mine does), absent gross negligence or misconduct, you could be SoL. Regardless of that fact, you have to show what your damages are, which at this point aren't much.

I'm also pretty sure that EHV-3 is a reportable disease in most states, so there is that issue to deal with too. For curiosity's sake, it would be interesting if you would post a link to photos though.

Sorry for your situation!
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    07-17-2012, 08:35 PM
Originally Posted by CCH    
My first thought was "gee that doesn't seem like a long enough incubation time" Thanks to the good 'ol Merck Vet Manual though, the sores appear 4-8 days post breeding.

Hmm the research we did says two to ten. I will check with the vet and see what she says. She did not have them when we picked her up. I would love to have the vet out ASAP however we are remotely located so it's not as simple as it seems. At this time the vet is not sure if they want us to trailer to them (because of the pain it could cause her and we are looking at a 3 hour trip) or if they want me to swab it and bring it to them for testing. I am really hoping for the later. They will get back to me tonight or tomorrow morning.

I will post pictures as soon as I get them from my phone to my email service isn't that great where I am at.

Does anyone know if this is going to put an end to her eventing and showing? I would like to be super pissed but I at this time am to worried about her for that and also if this is what it is my heart is really going out to the brand new owner of that stud.
    07-17-2012, 09:33 PM
I too would be extremely pissed... If it is EHV-3... Shoot, I would be looking for some compensation in damages to your mare and to you.
    07-17-2012, 11:17 PM
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Alright guys here is what it looks like. Still waiting on equine vet's call back. You know what is really frustrating all the equine vets being as far out as they are I would really think one of the local small animal vets would be willing to help out. Basically I called my dog vet who I have known for years and asked them if all the labs go to the same place. Her answer yes your horses labs would go to the same lab that runs tests on your dog. Okay great I said, you mind sending out a lab for me from my horse. Their answer, although they can do it (I would be bring them the swab) they won't do it because they don't know how to charge me for it. Isn't a lab a LAB? They don't even have to do anything except send it out.
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    07-17-2012, 11:37 PM
That is just horrid... Ugh. I am so sorry for you if it is EHV-3... I hope you get the tests back soon, I'm sure that is uncomfortable...
    07-18-2012, 12:48 AM
Merck Veterinary Manual

Looks quite a bit like the photos you posted. The only way to know for sure would be labs though. I would suggest taking her to the vet so you can have a proper culture and get her reproductive parts looked at. If you have a vet with enough repro experience, he should be able to tell if she's bred as well too.
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