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    02-13-2013, 06:30 PM
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my mare rejected last foal and could be pregnant again

Im really worried. My mare ( Tea) was not supposed to be bred after she rejected her first foal. My sister stud accidents got lose with her ( he is due to be cut soon). Now she is about nine months pregnant if she is pregnant. Im not certain she is, but she has been putting on the pounds and seems to be doing the same as with her last pregnancy. Her first only lived two days despite our best efforts. Any advise on raising rejected foals.
Please no harsh comments about how we should have worked harder to keep them apart. We really did try, but it seems a determined stud will get his way.
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    02-13-2013, 06:44 PM
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A "determined stud" will not get his way if you have adequate fencing. Also, I would be letting your sister know that he was "due to be cut" about two accidental breedings ago, and she should get onto it...

Anyway. You need to call a vet and have the mare checked to see if she is indeed pregnant. Then if she is, you can give her the care she needs while she is, in order to have the best shot at a healthy mare and foal at the end of the gestation. This will include checking for twins (not that there is anything you can do at this point, but if the vet knows in advance there is far more they can do to prepare for it), vaccinations, and probably an assessment of the feed your mare is receiving in order to make sure it is enough for her and a growing fetus, and not dangerous in any way.
     
    02-13-2013, 11:51 PM
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1. The first pregnancy was planned and after the foal was rejected I decided not to breed her again. And it was with a different stud.
2. My sisters stud would have been cut if the man that does it wasn't sick. In a small town like we have here there is only one place to go and when he is sick your stuck with a stud for awhile.
3. I asked about advise on raising a foal not to be told what my sister and I should have done.
The stud turned himself lose. There was nothing wrong with our corral. Just a horse that's very good with gates.

Im sorry if I sound like a jerk, but I don't like it when people jump in like they know the whole situation.
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    02-14-2013, 12:10 AM
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1. The first pregnancy was planned and after the foal was rejected I decided not to breed her again. And it was with a different stud.
2. My sisters stud would have been cut if the man that does it wasn't sick. In a small town like we have here there is only one place to go and when he is sick your stuck with a stud for awhile.
3. I asked about advise on raising a foal not to be told what my sister and I should have done.
The stud turned himself lose. There was nothing wrong with our corral. Just a horse that's very good with gates.

Im sorry if I sound like a jerk, but I don't like it when people jump in like they know the whole situation.
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"The man who does it wasn't sick" - you understand it is illegal to castrate a horse if you are not a qualified vet, right? Not only that, but it is cruel and inhumane to do it without access to the anesthetics and other medications a vet can get, and frankly, idiotic. If that's not what you were planning to do, that's fine, but if it is, rethink it.

I gave you my advice. My advice is to give your poor mare the best possible care at this stage, and not neglect her health by neglecting to have a vet manage the pregnancy. That alone maximises your chances for a healthy mare and foal at the end of the pregnancy, which in turn will give the foal the best possible start and allow the mare to be the best possible mother if she is in good health post partum.

If you don't like it when people "jump in without knowing the situation", then post the whole situation or be prepared for people to jump in. All I knew at the start was exactly what you posted in your first post. If you didn't want assumptions to be made, you needed to be explicitly clear so that there were no holes to fill with those assumptions. And, based on the response to my post, given the gaps within the text and your somewhat unsociable manner, I am now going to suggest you ask your parents to call a vet, as I am now assuming that they are the financially responsible party in this arrangement.

Also, if a stud can "let himself loose" then yes, it is a fencing problem.
     
    02-14-2013, 12:13 AM
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I am wondering why you did not have her checked for pregnancy soon after she might have been accidently covered? Sorry if you explained and I missed that.
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    02-14-2013, 12:21 AM
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At 9 months into gestation, you're really playing some hard catch up.

Confirm pregnancy.
Supplement mare like mad.
Network to discover if there are any other mares at/near nursing state when this foal is due and arrange an agreement with said owners if your mare again rejects this foal.

Those would be my steps at this point.
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    02-14-2013, 12:35 AM
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Good solid advice!
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    02-14-2013, 01:33 AM
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Originally Posted by messydream    
Im really worried. My mare ( Tea) was not supposed to be bred after she rejected her first foal. My sister stud accidents got lose with her ( he is due to be cut soon). Now she is about nine months pregnant if she is pregnant. Im not certain she is, but she has been putting on the pounds and seems to be doing the same as with her last pregnancy. Her first only lived two days despite our best efforts. Any advise on raising rejected foals.
Please no harsh comments about how we should have worked harder to keep them apart. We really did try, but it seems a determined stud will get his way.
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I've not been on here recently so welcome to the forum. Your best bet right now is to give her the best care possible. If she should reject this foal, which is likely if they did it in the past, you will have to bottle feed it every two hours or bucket feed it with colostrum. It takes up a lot of time and energy versus a mare who is up about 18hrs a day that can take care of her foal at all times. If you can't get your mare to take this baby, then find a nurse mare. I would be asking surrounding farms who have had foals around the same time she is due if they can help you out. You may have to take the foal to them, but it's well worth knowing she has a good serogate mom and you don't have to get up every two hours.

With her last foal, did you restrain her at all? Or sedate her in any way?
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    02-14-2013, 10:32 AM
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Welcome to the Horse Forum. It is not going to do much good to rehash what has already happened.

It is NOT illegal for someone besides a Vet to castrate a horse any place I have been. I cut them for 40 years before my arthritis got too bad. I have very good emascuators and gave them to a friend as long as he comes over and does mine.

Several guys around here do them. They are livestock and no different than castrating cattle in the eyes of the law around here or where I lived in Colorado.

I do not know where you live, but in the west, many of the big ranches cut their own or have a guy that travels around from ranch to ranch.

As for your mare, it is most common to have first foal mares reject a foal. I would try very hard to be in attendance when she foaled. I would milk out a little of the Colosterum BEFORE she foals so her udder won't be so tender and she will be used to being touched there. Save the Colosterum you milk out and strain it through a piece of cloth and freeze it in a Ziplock. It will save a foal's life if you need it. It will save this foal's life if it cannot nurse right away.

Someone that knows what they are doing needs to assist if this mare gets hateful toward her new foal. Even if you have to sedate her, twitch her, tie a foot up or ??? Most mares will accept the foal after it has nursed a few times by force. We would separate them in adjoining stalls or stay with the mare so she could not hurt the foal. Over many years, all but one accepted the foal after the forced nursing. That one was saved by the colosterum and the forced nursing and then was raised on a bucket when it became apparent that she was never going to accept the baby. The baby did fine.
     
    02-14-2013, 10:54 AM
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First get the mare checked for pregnancy
Some first foalers have a bad time and the trauma makes them go a bit whacky for a few days and people do a knee jerk and take the foal away.
It really depends on how badly the mare was reacting but sometimes its enough to just keep the foal in her sight and hobble the mare so the foal can feed and after a few days it all settles down.
My old mare was hand fed by her very novice owners and they managed to do an OK job of that part of it, they stupidly (they were crap with horses) bred the mare again and she was fine with the second foal.
Some mares will reject a foal because it has something wrong with it - they seem to sense it somehow and nature just tells them to quit on it.
     

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