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post #11 of 35 Old 12-21-2008, 01:43 AM
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As with cattle, but more importantly with horses, are the health standards. Pay to have the vet checks, blood work, desease testing and genetics. I too was raised on a cattle ranch and further went on to work other larger ranches, but moved away from cattle and into equine.

One thing to keep in mind however, is yes, culling is important, but if you want to be much more successful, you wont need to do any culling. You should be very selective in your breedings, and planned out to know what you are wanting, what you have breed for, and how you have breed to get what you are wanting. In other words, dont settle for less, research who you are breeding to and with what. Your biggest key is to gain a selective and cornered market. There are way too many substandard and base standard stock out there to be lucrative in the equine industry.

Research what it is you are wanting. There are many horse ranches out there. Are you looking to build up on the premise to sell, or to enhance what you have to get better? If it is to market and sell, then enhancing what you have with much better stock is crutial. Dont overbreed for quantity when you need to strive for quality. Equine ranching is expensive, so dont set out and expect to make much the first few years.

Another key difference between cattle and horses, is that if you want to get out there and enhance your stock, you need to be ready to also start competing and showing. Thats another incurred cost. Successfull horse ranches are that way for a reason.. no matter what breed you go into, each have a standard and a way of verifying those standards in shows. I hate to sound like showing is an only option, but unless you are already set up with the perfect horse(s), you will still need to gain points and promote your stock in either confirmation or in performance.

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post #12 of 35 Old 12-21-2008, 01:55 AM Thread Starter
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^^No arugment from me on that, i will be the first to addmit that I am not a good horseman yet.

#6 I could have had don't be afeard to do things to add value to your product.

(for us in the cattle at the time) was to sell finished steer to people ready to go to a slaughterhouse

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I tend to leave the breeding to other people these days. I did it for years, but now do not have the time to sit and wait on a horse.
My job is to find those that are unwanted, unloved, or no-longer needed, give them some time and education and pass them on to people that really want, or need them.
My friend breeds, he's got about 40 horses of various sizes, and he's always looking to improve on what he produced the year before. he supplies me with the safest horses i have ever known in my entire life, i'm not kidding here guys, they are as close to bomb proof as you can make a horse i believe!

At the moment, i'm rescuing the unwanteds and unloveds and giving them another chance in life. so whilst there are horses out there needing me, my love and my services, i shall not breed.

Kentucky, i agree with you though.
I had a stunning looking Arab mare years ago. she had okay conformation, was a little upright in the pastern, and a touch long in the back for me, but these are things my stallion would have brought to the party (he had with previous mares) but she had a dodgy temperament (one minute nice, the next psychotic) so i never bred from her, sold her to a lady who promised not to breed from her, then got a letter almost 2 years later showing her colt foal.........i was horrified, she must have had her served as soon as she left my place. that mare has gone on to produce 6 foals, every one of them with temperament issues, and the lady doesn't care, she's just interested in the money........so sad.

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Kentucky, I just meant that now is not a good time to start a breeding operation. And it won't be for another 10 years or so, ESPECIALLY Quarter Horses or Paints. Our US market is just saturated with breeders already, many of whom are hanging in there despite the economic downturn.

I didn't mean for everyone to stop breeding. There are plenty of good breeders out there with quality stock that will weather this proverbial storm. I only meant that if you're thinking of starting a breeding business now, then you need your head examined, lol.
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post #15 of 35 Old 12-21-2008, 10:35 AM
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Another key difference between cattle and horses, is that if you want to get out there and enhance your stock, you need to be ready to also start competing and showing. Thats another incurred cost. Successfull horse ranches are that way for a reason.. no matter what breed you go into, each have a standard and a way of verifying those standards in shows. I hate to sound like showing is an only option, but unless you are already set up with the perfect horse(s), you will still need to gain points and promote your stock in either confirmation or in performance.
Very well said! We have so many horse breeders out there that the only way to really set yourself apart and bring in more than bottom dollar is to get ALL of your stock, mares and stallions, in the show pen. Even if it's just halter or in-hand work for your mares, some show wins are better than none.

As the (very true) saying goes, you don't ride the papers .
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post #16 of 35 Old 12-21-2008, 11:16 AM Thread Starter
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I have no planns to get farer in the horse business than where I am on a horse or two for my own pleasure. And later on if I sell for a profit later so be it

I put those rules here to end the sure I breed this animal or not debates.

Lus2ride1979, thank for your had advise, I have know that flooding of the stock horse market for awhile.

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I agree with 90% of what has been said, good thread, Kentucky!!

I just wanted to add something else that I heard the other day:

It seems to be that the horse business is the only place where you'll see people constantly running at a financial loss; people continue to breed their horses even though it will end up costing more than it will sell for - and yes, I am talking a business situation... why the heck is that? If this were any other business, they would have quit long ago.


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I have seen cattleman do the samething.

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post #19 of 35 Old 12-21-2008, 02:16 PM
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At least with cattle though, there will likely always be a rather steady market, unless everyone randomly decides to stop eating hamburgers. Some cultures even label them as a necessity. They aren't meant for pleasure. They are meant for consumption. Some are used as rodeo broncs, but thats an extremely limited and select market.

Horses are a luxury, and with the market the way it is, breeding is even more of a crapshoot, because unless you are breeding a fantastic youngster AND giving a price discount to attract buyers, you'll likely be stuck with the horse until they are 3 or so.

I wouldn't be looking to breed right now, and I know many breeders who are breeding less and less at this time, simply because they cannot afford to KEEP 15-20 youngsters each year. (

But if I were breeding, this is what I'd be looking for
a) an absolutely fantastic mare. With good conformation, good personality and a good show record. Also bloodlines that I want to pass on.
b) a stallion that not only has a proven show record but a proven offspring record - so that the resulting foal will have more chance of being sold. I'd also look for stud that would balance out the mare's flaws

they have a saying that says" if you want to be a millionaire in the horse business, start with 2 million" and its really true. horses-breeding, showing, or even just riding generally means a financial loss of some sort. The smart breeders have established a niche market for themselves and might manage to turn a profit. But the average breeder? Will always be losing money.
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post #20 of 35 Old 12-22-2008, 08:20 AM
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I agree with 90% of what has been said, good thread, Kentucky!!

I just wanted to add something else that I heard the other day:

It seems to be that the horse business is the only place where you'll see people constantly running at a financial loss; people continue to breed their horses even though it will end up costing more than it will sell for - and yes, I am talking a business situation... why the heck is that? If this were any other business, they would have quit long ago.


ETA - moral of the story... horse people are crazy.
ETA II - I know I am.
RIGHT ON!! Well said, it used to be that people made money off of horse, not so common anymore.

Fortunatly for me I've never lost money **Crosses my fingers** but we barely broke even this year (about a couple thousand over) so I've decided that it's time to call it a quits. I will keep some horses but will not longer breed. We will see what happens later in life...but for now I'm just going to be a proud horse owner with ALOT less expense!

But as Kentucky did state, if everyone just stopped breeding there would be no horses for anyone. And also most of the people on this board could not afford to own a horse if every horse was out a a world champion. Now I don't like the horse market at all...BUT I think people should think about the long run more often.
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