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        12-25-2008, 10:39 AM
      #21
    Weanling
    Personally I think right now is an excellent time to get into the breeding business with the market as low as it is you can buy outstanding breeding stock very cheap. Its also a great time to up grade a breeding program, this fall I culled out 5 brood mares and sold at auction and replaced them with two coming three year old fillies that are better bred. 3 less mares to feed and care for and the two new ones should generate more in come then the 5 I got rid of.

    My biggest rule of breeding is to make a profit theres lots of good rules to go by many listed here but for me no profit no business. But most people are not concerned about making money breeding a horse to them its a hobby and very few people care if they make money with a hobby. I think anyone breeding should start with what ever they can afford and breed to improve that. If that means you start with a poor looking $50 mare so be it everyone starts somewhere.

    My biggest rule in breeding has always been " My wants and ideals never ever trump someone elses right to do something different then I do ".
         
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        12-25-2008, 06:25 PM
      #22
    Chat Moderator
    County, I respect allot of what you have said.

    True, the buyer part of the market is really good. And the Male is half of the breeding pair, and is the cheapest way to improove the quality of a herd. But, a really poor quality aniaml should not be breed, it will bring down its mate reguardless of the quality of that animal.

    What some people are complaining about is the low prices of horses, they can not deal with the low prices some animals are bringing in, ie no profits.

    As a buyer, I would only chooce to buy a quality animal, it doesn't cost more to take care of a good or great animal over the cost of a junk horse.
         
        12-25-2008, 06:32 PM
      #23
    Weanling
    I agree but your idea of quality, my idea of quality, and millions of other ideas of quality are going to be very different thank goodness. I just had someone the other day rambling on about only breeding " quality " horses. Then I saw his horses, you couldn't even give me one of his mares. My bet is Carol Rose wouldn't want one of mine.
         
        12-25-2008, 09:28 PM
      #24
    Chat Moderator
    I agree and have meet people like that. And I refuse to do business with them any more. I like to look at the breed in question's characteristics that is a good starting point, plus what I plan on doing with that animal.
         
        12-25-2008, 09:58 PM
      #25
    Weanling
    Heck not only do I still do business with them I married one my wife and I don't think alike at all as far as what we want for breeding stock. But we both do the same as you as far as a starting point and what we plan on doing with them.
         
        12-26-2008, 07:13 AM
      #26
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by county    
    Personally I think right now is an excellent time to get into the breeding business with the market as low as it is you can buy outstanding breeding stock very cheap. Its also a great time to up grade a breeding program, this fall I culled out 5 brood mares and sold at auction and replaced them with two coming three year old fillies that are better bred. 3 less mares to feed and care for and the two new ones should generate more in come then the 5 I got rid of.

    My biggest rule of breeding is to make a profit theres lots of good rules to go by many listed here but for me no profit no business. But most people are not concerned about making money breeding a horse to them its a hobby and very few people care if they make money with a hobby. I think anyone breeding should start with what ever they can afford and breed to improve that. If that means you start with a poor looking $50 mare so be it everyone starts somewhere.

    My biggest rule in breeding has always been " My wants and ideals never ever trump someone elses right to do something different then I do ".
    I really debated posting a reply on this one.. I agree with you on 50% of what you have stated, which it is a buyers market. Excellent quality stock is lower priced due to the saturation in the market.

    In that I will also have to include that I disagree with the other 50%. Which is what you start out with. I am not ever going to say that a low priced horse wont have the potential to turn out being something good. But if chancing things on a gamble in order to start producing, that's really a risky shot. Because the equine industry is so loaded right now, that anything under a recognized standard, wont stand a chance at a profit margin. You have to weigh everything into what you are taking on. Cost of breeding fee if there is one, health care for a mare in foal (checks, tests, ultra sounds, and so on), then the care at foaling and for the foal afterwards. There is also the cost of feed and general care that will go into it. These things add up, and to recoop them at selling time is going to be impossible unless you have something to prove why you are asking what you are for that horse.

    Take time to pick the minds of some of the more serious horse ranches and sales out there. They will tell you that in order to succeed, you have to pay attention to the bottom line. What are you going to invest, and what are you going to get in return? The old addage of "You get what you pay for" is so true in this. Be ready to add some serious expense in either direction you go. Pay more now for something better, or pay more later to make something better. Either way, don't expect to come out too far ahead starting out. You may have to incurre loss from the start before you start making profit. Breed smart, and responsibly!
         
        12-26-2008, 09:14 AM
      #27
    Weanling
    I agree making money starting out is near impossable same as most business ventures and unless you have pasture land and raise your own hay and grain its harder yet. One persons costs are going to be very very different then anothers vet work ultra sounds etc. are not used by everyone so those costs alone can be a huge difference. I've raised 100's of foals and seldom do any ultra sounds just never found a good reason to in most mares.
         
        12-30-2008, 11:06 AM
      #28
    Started
    My biggest thing.....disposition. I see so many stallions (and mares too) that have such nasty dispositions....I just shake my head in disbelief when I see people breeding horses like this. I look at disposition first, I don't care how pretty or what great conformation the horse may have, or how athletic it may be....if the temperament is not there, walk away.
         
        12-30-2008, 12:01 PM
      #29
    Weanling
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    Make sure that the male and female cancel out each other's bad traits (no animal is perfect) and this is important to making sure they are as perfect as possible.
    Do you mean if you havea long backed horse and a short backed horse to breed them hoping the foal will have a good sized back (For example)? I think that's a risky adventure, because it's quite possible that you still get the long back, or whatever negative aspect you are trying to "cancel out".
         
        12-30-2008, 12:32 PM
      #30
    Chat Moderator
    I think FehrGroundRanch meant small minor flaws, animals with major flaws should not be bred, in my book.

    I agree that disposition, are very important but if I was buying stock for breeding disposition doesn't trump conformation. If one animal is great in all areas but has a dangerous disposition and another was very good in all areas and had a great diposition. I would choose the second one.
         

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