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post #1 of 10 Old 07-27-2009, 01:58 PM Thread Starter
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Need advice Preggie or something else????

I have posted once regarding my 20 year old arabian mare, she is wonderful. They said she wasn't pregnant, but the vet says she is, (no ultrasound)

I will have many questions and will provide all of the information that I have. I rescued a 20 year old Quarter Arab mare 3.5 months ago. She was left out to pasture, and appeared to have a hay belly or possibly worms. I specifically asked if she was pregnant as I have horse experience, but DEFINITELY not breeding experience, and was told no she is just out of shape, and has a hay belly. I was told she was not pregnant, and that she had never been bred.

I have been riding her and caring for her for the last three months and the belly never went down. NOW she is huge, clear liquid is coming out of her teats, and starting to turn cloudy, and she is very soft in the tail, and we have been seeing the baby move... (Obviously she is pregnant) My first question is her vulva seemed to be relaxing and we assumed the baby was coming... but now not so relaxed? Is that normal? Should I be worried?

Also yellow cloudy liquid can be very freely expressed from one side (left) and only a little from the right side. On Friday 07/17/2009 I found yellow tinged goo ( not sure how else to describe it) on her vulva, in her vulva, and very slightly dripping down her legs. Vet said not an infection (Thank G) probably her mucus plug... wouldn't that mean the baby should come by now???... Anyone able to assist me??

I would like to have some kind of time frame when the baby will be born... the mare is eating normally, drinking normally, and had very slight bouts of loose stool at times, biting at her sides, carrying her tail off to the side constantly, stomping, no rolling, nothing violent, just kicking ...

I LOVE this mare, we have bonded very tightly. In fact when I got off her a month ago (didn't know she was pregnant) to walk by some water. (She doesn't like water) I twisted my ankle. My daughter came to get her so that I could limp home and she refused pulling against the bridal to stay with me and walk along side me... I do not want anything to happen to this mare. And I do not have any horse breeding experience....

No baby. "Milk" has stopped, stomach has dropped, but she is not "preggie big" I am posting a picture of her as well. Big veins running under her belly, and at times she is quite sunken in front of her hips, then the next day not sunken, and then sunken again... she is a decent weight over her ribs and back. Again I have only had her for a three months. The muscles around her tail feel like jello. VERY squishy. She walks very slow except when its hay time :) Alfalfa hay, and I have been feeding her Mare and Foal feed. She definitely has mood swings. Running up to me in the pasture to be petted and hugged (she likes hugs) and then looks at me and starts to flatten her ears and walks (slowly) away about 20 feet. Stops and then turns and walks back up to me does that off an on for about 10 minutes as I am checking the other horses, then comes up to get her brushing and "love". I will definitely post pictures of baby (if or when it comes). Any advice is much appreciated. Vet said to leave her be unless she is in pain (rolling and such) since we don't really know when she was bred (or if). Everyone says she looks pregnant, but maybe not due for another 2 months.

Any advice is much appreciated.

Again I want what is best for her. I truly love this mare.

Obviously I need a new vet, but live in rural area where there is not much of a choice...

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post #2 of 10 Old 07-27-2009, 04:15 PM
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I would suggest you trailer her to where they can do an ultrasound. That will determine definitely if it is a baby and may find out what else it could be if she isn't preggo.

I seem to remember hearing about some mares that will display signs of pregnancy without being pregnant due to a disorder but I'm not sure.

I hope you find something out. Gorgeous mare by the way, looks very good for her age.

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post #3 of 10 Old 07-27-2009, 04:16 PM
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How did the vet determine she was pregnant?
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post #4 of 10 Old 07-27-2009, 05:08 PM
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I can't tell from the pix. But if she is pregnant I would think she'd be more bagged then that. Maybe you have some time? I traded my pony for a hugely underweight pregnant mare. We were told she was pregnant but you couldnt tell by how thin she was. She never did look "huge" but she bagged up and then started pouring milk down her legs... a day later, there was the cutest little mule I ever saw standing in her stall... so she may not give you much notice......

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post #5 of 10 Old 07-27-2009, 05:24 PM
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The pictures from what I can see don't lead me to think she is pregnant, but then again that could just be the angle of the photos. Some mares can be bred, or be around a stallion, and end up having what is called a false pregnancy, where they act and look a bit like they may be pregnant, they stop going into heat, and for all intents and purposes you think she's going to have a baby until you do an ultrasound. If it were me, I'd trailer her to a vet hospital or somewhere where you can get an ultrasound, and know for sure, and then if it isn't, start treating whatever is going on, instead of putting it off thinking she may be pregnant, and ending up having bigger issues down the road. Good luck with her, she's quite cute.
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post #6 of 10 Old 07-27-2009, 07:01 PM
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I havent had preggo mares before, but I have been around them frequently. From the pictures she does not look pregnant.... but pictures can be deciveing. I would take her somewhere an ultrasound is available, fo the sake of the mare and the possible unborn foal. You also need to make sure theres not another baby in there and if something could go wrong.


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post #7 of 10 Old 07-27-2009, 07:12 PM
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I would agree. Based on the photos, to me... she doesn't look preggers. (Of course, that doesn't mean she isn't). Horses DO sometimes have false pregnancies which can be VERY convincing. And one thing that I have found with mares (especially my friend's TB) is that her udder will swell up from time to time, to the point that she's huge, and drips... then it goes down. Dunno if it's the weather, she just is being hormonal... or she feels like jacking with us for laughs.

What I would recommend if you can't get her to a spot with an ultrasound? Treat her as if she is preggers. Keep an eye on her, manage her diet so she keeps a good weight, keep her exercising (light to moderate) to help prevent edema.
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post #8 of 10 Old 07-27-2009, 09:57 PM
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I'm not seeing a pregnant mare either, BUT that doesn't mean that she isn't. Your best possible bet since you don't know for sure if was bred would be to either get an ultrasound or have a vet do a palpatation (sp?) exam to see if he can feel the foal.
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post #9 of 10 Old 07-27-2009, 09:59 PM
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One more quick question! Is she turned out in the sand all the time?
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post #10 of 10 Old 07-28-2009, 06:35 PM
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I just want to say first, you can't say a horse doesnt "look" pregnant, because not all mares carry the same, as with people. Example:

A guy had a mare who he was racing (standardbred). She showed no signs of being pregnant or anything, and she went out one night- raced (won even)- and the next day they came in and she had a foal...

So you can't really say when a horse "looks" pregnant.

And as someone else asked, how did your vet determine she was pregnant? You don't have to have an untrasound done to determine a pregnancy. They can do it by palpation.

If your vet did this, then I don't think theres a reason to get a new vet yet. If they just looked at the horse and said "yeap, she's preggo!" well then I would look for someone new
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