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post #1 of 27 Old 07-27-2014, 01:19 PM Thread Starter
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Never thought I would be interested in breeding, but...

I posted earlier about buying and raising a weanling as a new horse owner. Someone suggested that after I lease and take lessons and such, buying a good quality mare, enjoying her, learning from her, and if I feel ready later on, breeding her and raising the foal.

My first reaction was . I come from the dog fancy. I have the attitude that not just anyone should breed their animals. Then, I started thinking, well, what the heck? I'll learn what I can about it, and then I'll see what happens.

At this point, I know little about breeding. I will need to do A LOT of research before I even consider breeding a mare. I do have two breeds in mind for my horse (Arabians and Gypsies, leaning towards Gypsies). I will only consider a mare if she has the right temperament and conformation for the breed, which I know a bit about both breeds right now, but not enough.

However, I won't even start my search for a horse (whether I end up with a mare, a foal, or an older gelding because I decided to put off my dream) for at least 5 years. I have time to gain experience and knowledge that I'm lacking right now. I'm only 20. No need to rush.
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post #2 of 27 Old 07-27-2014, 10:12 PM
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I think the first thing to do would be to talk to a ton of breeders from your choice breed. Find out what genetic things you need to know (color as well as genetic disorders) and keep in contact. Research all you can about conformation and decide EXACTLY what you want to do.
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post #3 of 27 Old 07-28-2014, 03:11 AM
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In addition to what TexasBlaze said, if you do decide to breed, then make sure that whatever you breed is marketable... this means good temperament and conformation, as well as bloodlines that are important to people involved in the breed. Many people don't plan to breed to sell, but then get into a bind and need to sell. In that case, it's better for you and the horse to have a known pedigree and good conformation and attitude.

And, for the love of all that is holy, train the horse. Don't just raise a spoiled pasture pet. So many people want to raise babies because they're cute and don't understand the training that's required. Babies are much more sensitive than adult horses and can't handle working for very long. It's best to get involved in working for a breeding operation where someone can teach you how to handle the babies before trying to raise your own. Good luck!
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post #4 of 27 Old 07-28-2014, 03:19 AM
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Something to also keep in mind... even the sweetest, most respectful mare can be tough to handle with a baby at her side. I don't regret breeding my mare for a second because she gave me the most perfect beautiful baby, but I can NOT wait until november (weaning time) so I can do what I want with my mare.
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post #5 of 27 Old 07-28-2014, 08:47 AM Thread Starter
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Thank you all for the information and advice! JetdecksComet, that's the plan . I would hope to keep the foal and yes, I would train it, but things happen.
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post #6 of 27 Old 07-28-2014, 02:23 PM
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Something to also keep in mind... even the sweetest, most respectful mare can be tough to handle with a baby at her side. I don't regret breeding my mare for a second because she gave me the most perfect beautiful baby, but I can NOT wait until november (weaning time) so I can do what I want with my mare.
This is true - although only lasted in my mare for about 2 weeks. But for those 2 weeks, while she wasn't aggressive, she was SO concerned over where the foal was that she would knock into you to turn and look where the baby was. We had to be very firm with her in those first two weeks. Prior to foaling, she had impeccable manners, was super calm and level-headed. Luckily, it only lasted a few weeks with her. Now, she couldn't care less where baby is, as long as she's still within sight, somewhere.

I also saved for several years so that I had a flexible budget to get what I wanted. You don't want to sacrifice quality for a lower price if you don't have to. I also wanted to make sure that I had a slush fund, should anything go wrong and I required (or may require in the future) an emergency vet.
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post #7 of 27 Old 07-28-2014, 03:18 PM
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On your other thread you said you don't want to shell out 10k for a horse you won't show. However, if you want a breeding quality mare, they are WORTH 10k+. Also, from start to finish breeding and having a foal can up from 4-5k and up. From vet bills, stud fees, etc. AND that doesn't even guarantee what kind of a baby you'll get after shelling out all that money

I'd stick with your "no one should breed" mentality. There are many good reasons to breed, this not being one of them.
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On your other thread you said you don't want to shell out 10k for a horse you won't show. However, if you want a breeding quality mare, they are WORTH 10k+. Also, from start to finish breeding and having a foal can up from 4-5k and up. From vet bills, stud fees, etc. AND that doesn't even guarantee what kind of a baby you'll get after shelling out all that money

I'd stick with your "no one should breed" mentality. There are many good reasons to breed, this not being one of them.
I'm not sure that every single animal of breeding quality animal is worth $10K or more - that seems a little exaggerated. I won't argue that some are, but there are many perfectly good horses that are not, and have still done exceptionally well in the show ring. I'm also in Canada, so maybe prices are a little different up here.

I would agree though, that the costs of breeding, feed, vet bills, vaccines, etc. can get quite hefty, without any kind of emergency to pay for.

Since you're only tossing around the idea and you're looking at minimum 5 years into the future, you have plenty of time to decide if it's within your budget, what you want to spend or if this is something you even want to do. Tossing around an idea and doing research never hurt anyone.
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post #9 of 27 Old 07-28-2014, 05:35 PM
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I think the only thing gypsies and arabs have in common is height. They aren't even remotely comparable, so I'm not sure how you can be torn between them. Do you want a quiet, heavy, hairy, cold blooded draft or a light, hot blooded, thin skinned energizer bunny?

Learn as much as you can about horses. Put as many hours undersaddle and on the ground as you can. Keep extremely humble, and talk to as many horse people as you can. At the end of 5 years, decide what you want to get into. After a few years experience, when someone puts you on a greener horse, you may decide you really don't like working with young horses, which would rule out breeding. Or you could fall in love with a gelding or a weanling.

a good quality mare, unless you really luck out, will cost you a pretty penny. If you disagree with all the back yard breeders crossing mutt A with mutt B to get a litter of randomly bred mutts with questionable temperaments and potential health problems, the horse equivalent should be easy to see. Any horse that's bred should at the very least be well built, free from all hereditary defects, physically and reproductively healthy, with an excellent temperament and ideally both a very nice pedigree and proven in a discipline.
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post #10 of 27 Old 07-28-2014, 05:54 PM
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Like Blue is getting at, I'm feeling a bit lost in translation, too...

Are you just going for aesthetics? That's really all I can pull from your choice in breeds. You like the way they look, and so you are looking to purchase and/or breed one?

Like in your last thread, I once again finding myself asking "why"? Do you just want a baby? What kind of budget do you have? Because we're looking at way most cost than just a weanling, now.

The sensitivity of the internet baffles me.
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